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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 582
In this issue:
Re: violence in hockey - and the media
Re: girl's and violence in hockey
Re: a boy thing?
Re: violence in hockey - and the media
Re: girl's and violence in hockey
respect
Re: respect
Re: girl's and violence in hockey
Concussions (was -- girl's and violence in hockey)
Re: girl's and violence in hockey
Re: respect
King's women's hockey clinic
Re: respect
Deep Freeze 2000
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:27:56 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
In a message dated 1/14/00 6:55:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< I don't think we can be so smug. I have seen slashing, elbowing, and
punches in girls games as well. >>
I agree with this statement. Girls and women can be just as dirty as boys and
men can be. It may occur less often but I have been in games where there have
been fights. One women was so frustrated that one of my teammate made her
loose the put that she swung her stick like a baseball bat into my teammates
shin. I think that in sports emotions run high, and people are looking for an
outlet from both the emotions in the game and life itself.
Deborah
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:09:09 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: girl's and violence in hockey
In a message dated 1/16/00 4:13:59 PM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< The only woman I've personally seen punch
people grew up playing with boys. >>
It's not uncommon for my 13 yr. old daughter to throw some punches. Yes, she
plays on a boy's team. Most of the time it's under the category of
self-defense. But if they start picking on you, you can't be a sitting duck.
She either gets their # and checks them hard, or returns their punches. No
different than any other team member. No, I take that back. Actually she is
tougher than alot of her teammates! And that is not just my opinion, it's
her reputation. As the only girl on a boy's team, and usually the only girl
on both teams, I think she has to make it clear she is tough and doesn't take
their unnecessary roughness or else she won't last long out there.
She was recently ejected from 1 game along w/2 other teammates and 3 from
the opposing side for fighting(3rd. man in rule). But this not the norm. A
kid in a tournament last weekend threw 2 punches knocking her down twice and
she didn't retaliate and guess what? She and the other kid were both sent to
the box!! And here I was so proud of her for not hitting back and getting a
penalty!!
I know one other girl that plays pee-wee boys' hockey and she is a tough
cookie too. And the boys all know it!
I think you have to be tough and able to throw some punches to survive in the
checking levels. This holds true for the boys, also. Many boys quit when it
gets this rough. The coaches are looking for the bigger kids and tougher
hitting kids to put on the AA teams. It's a desired quality. Don't get me
wrong, the coaches frown on multiple penalties for fighting unnecessarily but
you've got to be able to dish it out and get physical. I'm not sure how much
longer Olivia will be able physically to play on the boys team. They start
to look like men in high school(size-wise). She broke her collar bone 2x
last season so I think about this alot.
Well, that's my 2 cents worth.
Debbie #49's Mom
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:20:23 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: a boy thing?
In a message dated 1/16/00 5:13:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< Obviously you're talking about the polite version of lacrosse played on
fields by college boys and girls. I recall a local field tournament in which
private schoolgirls from the UK visited Victoria...no protective gear and on
the field banter featured the refrain "I say, pass the ball, Emma!". >>
While wacthing some British lads playing roller hockey in Hyde Park (london)
I heard one call out in disgust to some chap who ran into him: "Nigel, you
are a bloody menace!"
I could only imagine what that would translate to in NYC......... (male OPR
female !!)
:-)
Jill
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:31:43 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
In a message dated 1/16/00 5:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, DBPuck writes:
<< I agree with this statement. Girls and women can be just as dirty as boys
and men can be. It may occur less often but I have been in games where there
have been fights >>
Yeah - and I've even got a photo of one of those fights! :-)
It was only a few punches, (not even sure what started it) but - they were
both immediately thrown out of the game.
I have only witnessed 2 fights - the one mentioned above and another one that
started with, you guessed it, one of our players gettign whacked in the head
with a stick by the opposing player. Then they both started going at it
with thier sticks, like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. As soon as the ref
was able to control it, they were both, deservedly, thrown out.
Jill
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:43:26 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: girl's and violence in hockey
#49's mom,
I would be kind of interested in hearing your daughter's views on how she
feels about the fighting that she participates in.
It seems like in her situation it is important for her to be accepted as a
part of the whole scene. My daughter has told me that when she gets hurt it's
important for her to get up and keep playing or the guys will start treating
her too different. Fortunately she hasn't been seriously hurt.
If she isn't fighting MORE than the guys, but her level of fighting and
number of penalties is similar than she is probably blending just right.
laura
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:04:58 -0600
From: lohr
Subject: respect
>===== Original Message From amazed =====
>When a team is up by 12 goals and you continue to use the number one power
>play, since your leading scorer didn't get enough points in the game the day
>before, does not show respect for the athletes on the other team let alone
>those on your own team who may not get as any opportunities in most games.
>
I may only be a freshman hockey player for a division 3 school, but one thing
I have learned is that fighting (men or women) comes from lack of respect. If
you don't play the sport with respect for yourself, teammates, league, team,
school, coaches, country (or whoever) then chances are you will loose your
tempor faster than someone who does. As a first year college hockey player I
have only played in one game (against a club team) but I still have to
practice as hard as the "first line players". Even when your top-notch
players aren't playing, the score can still get run up to a large score. An
example of this is the game of Augsburg College vs. Bethel College on
Saturday. Then night before the normal players for Augsburg played and the
final score was 11-0. Anyone watching the game would realize that Augsburg
had "stepped down" their level of play. Saturday it was a different story.
"The Auggies gave scoring opportunities to plenty of young players, as
the team's major scorers were given the night off by head coach Jill
Pohtilla."
Even though the first line and part of the second line sat out, allowing the
5th and 6th lines to see playing time the score was 7-1. If you don't play
like you mean it, with repsect, then your opponents won't learn anything from
you. Coaches need to find the fine line between respect and disrespect when
it comes to playing teams that they know they can easily beat.
Karen
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:06:57 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: respect
In a message dated 1/16/00 11:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< Coaches need to find the fine line between respect and disrespect when
it comes to playing teams that they know they can easily beat. >>
I could not agree with you more! This summer, I was fortunate enough to have
been the ass't manager of a girls' HS team for a tournament. We had a very
short bench (probably about 9 or 10 players in total), 1 or 2 skaters who
were pretty inexperienced, and a relatively inexperienced and young goalie.
We were lucky to have enough to just to field a team, and were happy just
to go to the tourney. There were no expectations to win - we jsut wanted to
go out there and give it the best shot we could.
If I recall correctly, we lost most of our games by double-digits. There was
one game where we were losing pretty badly. The coach of the other team
decided that we had had enough, and sent his first line to the locker room!
Well, it is one thing to sit your first line (on the bench!) when the score
is being run up. In fact, I think it is respectfull and classy to do that.
However, sending the players to the locker room was disrespectful, and
anything but classy.
I learned a lot that day. Especially how NOT to coach............
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
# 77 Chicago Ice
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:45:52 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: girl's and violence in hockey
>My daughter has told me that when she gets hurt it's important for her to
get up >and keep playing or the guys will start treating her too different.
When I've gotten hurt in any of my games, I've always gotten right back
up, and rejoined the play. Except in one of my roller hockey games, me and an
opponent ran head-on at full speed and both crashed to the ground, I tried to
get up, but ended up just falling down again. My coach was a little hesitant
to put me back out after it happened, but I finished the game fine.
I've never been too much into the whole fighting thing, and until
recently I was never really aggressive. When I started roller hockey, I was
hardly ever agressive, and when I moved on to a womens ice hockey league, I
became a little agressive, but not much. In the coed (mostly women) league, I
became more agressive. But now, after realizing I have to fight for a spot on
a competitive team, and playing in a coed (mostly male) league, I've become a
lot more agressive. Never quite to the point to punching, but just the
shoving, elbowing and stick work kind of things, although I've never gotten a
penalty for anything.
A guy on my team in tonight's game was in the corner with a women from
the other team, who I guess was being rough (within the rules) with him, and
he apparently didn't think it was fair, so he grabbed her stick and flung it
across the rink. And then of course gets the penalty (only about his 50th one
in 6 games) and proceeds the penalty box cussing, gets in the penalty box,
throws his gloves, slams his stick down, cusses some more, slams the door,
kicks the wall and continues to mutter under his breath for at least another
30 seconds. I think his reaction was just a little uncalled for; if you throw
somebody's stick across the rink, you deserve the penalty. Right after that
penalty, one of the women on the other team was called for interference, and
she just skated to the box, closed the door quietly and sat down, nothing
said.
Jennie
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:32:06 -0500
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Concussions (was -- girl's and violence in hockey)
> When I've gotten hurt in any of my games, I've always gotten right back
>up, and rejoined the play. Except in one of my roller hockey games, me and an
>opponent ran head-on at full speed and both crashed to the ground, I tried to
>get up, but ended up just falling down again. My coach was a little hesitant
>to put me back out after it happened, but I finished the game fine.
If there is ANY hint of a head injury, a person should not go back out to play.
An injured player with a concussion should never be allowed to go back
into play until their symptoms have completely cleared both at rest and
with vigorous exercise. A concussion with problems or complaints
lasting for longer than 15 minutes requires at least one week out of play
unless it is the second grade II or greater concussion in a season--in
which case, the time out is a minimum of 2 weeks. The problem with
assessing the competitive athlete with a concussion is that they may try
very hard to cover up the problem so that they can get back into a game.
They may deny any symptoms when they actually may not be able to remember
which teams are playing in the game or what the score is.
If we and our kids are going to play sports like hockey and soccer, then
the folks on
the bench should at least know when to sit a kid who has taken a blow to
the head. There
is nothing heroic about going back out onto the ice when your head is still
swimming and
risking a second blow to the head and permanent damage.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:09:55 -0500
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: girl's and violence in hockey
We are now in in the same position with Jessica, age 13. She is playing
Bantam A, and having a great time. Last week was the first time in years
that she was challenged for being a girl. In the game on Saturday, the
rats went after her. She took a few hard hits but got up, returned them,
and played a great game. Some of her team mates went to help her out, and
the coach said thanks, but you all know Jess can take care of herself. The
best compliment he has ever given her. In the Sunday game, a big kid said,
Hey, whats with the hair, you a girl or something? She said, yeah,
actually I am. He just put on the speed, and gave her a (clean) game of a
lifetime. The first team was dirty, and had a dirty nasty coach who
encouraged a dirty game. The second team was a superior team and the kids
were great competitors. I think the cheap shots come from folks who need
them to stay in the game.
I never thought size mattered, until some of the 14 and 15 year old boys
stepped onto the ice with my daughter. She is short, and is fast enough
and has enough tricks to stay out of trouble, but one day some 180 pounder
is going to collide with her 105 pounds at the wrong angle. I cringe
thinking about it. So far, so good, and Jess is one happy camper.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:18:57 -0500
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: respect
The best coach my daughter had (in softball too, as a matter of fact) had
two tricks when the score got way out of hand. He switched offense and
defense, giving the kids a feel of skating in someone else's boots and
essentially making them play with one hand tied behind the back. The other
thing was putting on the trap. The kids had to basically keep the puck
moving, keep the other team away from their zone, but they couldn't go in
and score. Both keep the game moving, give the other team a chance, but
keep the score from soaring.
In softball, he just made someone else pitch. Took care of everything in
one position change!
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:47:51 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: King's women's hockey clinic
KINGS WOMEN'S ICE HOCKEY CLINIC
All levels of women are encouraged!
Protective equipment and skates will be available to use.
WHEN: Friday, February 18th
WHAT TIME: SESSION 1 (for intermediate/advanced): 5:30-6:45PM
SESSION 2 (for beginner/intermediate skaters): 7:00-8:15PM
WHERE: HEALTHSOUTH Training Center
The King's new training facility
555 N. Nash st., El Segundo, Ca.
(take the 105, exit Nash, building is on the
right between Mariposa and Grand)
HOW MUCH: $25.00 per person
Price includes a lower bowl ticket (valued at
$40.50) to the Kings vs. Vancouver game on
February 29th.
*Bring a friend! Make a copy of this form and sign them up!!
FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL ANNIE AT (310) 419-3815
OR EMAIL email@hidden
Please send or fax in your registration postmarked by February 11th, 2000
Please fill out the following information and mail to:
Annie Camins, LA Kings, P.O. Box 912, El Segundo, CA 90245-0912
Or fax your registration to: 310-419-3843 (until 1/20) or 310-535-4507 (after
1/21)
NAME:___________________________________________AGE (optional)_____
ADDRESS________________________________________________________________
CITY_____________________________________ST_______ZIP__________________
DAY PHONE:__________________________EVENING PHONE:_____________________
EMAIL:________________________________FAX
NUMBER:___________
I will be attending(check one):
Session 1 (5:30-6:45pm)______
Session 2 (7:00-8:15pm)______
I would like to purchase additional tickets at $25 each: ____(number of
additional tickets)
__I will need to borrow equipment and skates. Skate size____(two sizes below
shoe size)
TOTAL:$_______
Method of payment:
Check #:_________(payable to LA Kings) MC, Visa, Amex
#____________________Exp:____
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M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:34:25 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: respect
In a message dated 1/17/00 4:26:45 AM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< The best coach my daughter had (in softball too, as a matter of fact) had
two tricks when the score got way out of hand. He switched offense and
defense, giving the kids a feel of skating in someone else's boots and
essentially making them play with one hand tied behind the back. The other
thing was putting on the trap. The kids had to basically keep the puck
moving, keep the other team away from their zone, but they couldn't go in
and score. Both keep the game moving, give the other team a chance, but
keep the score from soaring. >>
Our coach did just that for us last year - swithced up the fwds and the D.
Except we were the ones LOSING 8-0 in the 2nd! I
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
# 77 Chicago Ice
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:05:19 -0600
From: "James D. Lorino"
Subject: Deep Freeze 2000
NEW FOR 2000 - MITE 10 & UNDER DIVISION!! - We need 10 & Under teams (or 12
& Under C teams)
Milwaukee Wisconsin Area Tournament
Last Year - 6 Squirt Teams & 6 PeeWee Teams
Looking to grow this year!
Waukesha County Youth Hockey Association and the Brookfield Optimists invite
you to take a break from the dead of winter and join us for some HOT Girls
Hockey action in our DEEP FREEZE Tournament. The Deep Freeze will be held
February 18-20, 2000 at THE PONDS OF BROOKFIELD and EBLE PARK ICE ARENA.
This is a B level tournament for MITES (10 & under), SQUIRTS (12 & under)
and PEEWEE / MIDGET * combined teams (15 & under, plus four (4) 19 & under
skaters) with a 3 game guarantee. Competition and level design will depend
on teams registering. You can expect brackets and points. There is a
possibility of a Friday night game-so be prepared! Everything is subject to
change-dates will not change. Tournament fee is $400.
Brookfield Wisconsin is 10 miles west of Milwaukee
Please contact:
James D. Lorino
2790 Lancaster Court
Brookfield, WI 53045
email@hidden
(414) 821-1688
(800) 548-7662 fax
* To clarify, PeeWee teams can supplement their team with four (4) Midget
(19 & under) players. It is not required.
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