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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, January 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 580
In this issue:
Re: btw
re: btw
Re: violence in hockey - and the media
Re: btw
Fighting in hockey
Re: btw
Re: Fighting in hockey
MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY
wisconsin women's hockey vs. UMD 1/14
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:15:38 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: btw
In a message dated 1/14/00 12:56:17 AM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< There was this whole mini controversy and then my parents don't like
hockey >>
My guess is because of the bad rep ("kick to the head! sucker punch! that's
hockey!") Show them a video tape of the Women's Olympic games (the USA vs
Canada comeback game would be my choice!) Then they will see that is NOT
what hockey is about. They may very well change their minds.
I actually watched that game with my Mom (who is NOT a hockey fan. In fact
the only reason whay she watched it is because she was already comfy in the
chair, I had the remote, and she was not about to move, and she kinda knew
how much I really wanted to wacth that game.) Anyhoo - by the time the US
scored the tying goal, she was cheering just as loudly as I was.
The real kick in the pants was, a minute after the game was over the phone
rang. It was my 88 yr old grandmother. (who probably has not wacthed a
hockey game since before WWII). She said "Wow! Did you SEE that game???!!!"
If watching that game does not convince your parents that hockey is a great
game, then, well, ........ I would actually be a t a loss for words!
Jill
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:31:14 PST
From: "Susannah Brooks"
Subject: re: btw
Regarding being a manager to a boys' team, I think you might have been
responding to my thing from a while ago. First off, I'll just say that there
was no way that I could have played on the team. I couldn't play then and
can't play much better now. It was frustrating because sometimes the guys
who I was with were, you know, decent human beings until they all got into
the locker rooms. Then it was a big contest of "Let's see just how macho
[also: homophobic] we can be so we can make the managers swoon over us hot
studs." And as I said before, the other managers did that, which just
reinforces the gap.
You just have to grit your teeth and bear it. Let them see that you stand up
for yourself and you aren't there to ogle them. Do your job well and let
them trust you. Joke around with them and, sure, give them a few verbal jabs
once in a while. The point is, once you get the chance to try out next year
they'll know that even if you aren't the best player out there, you'll try
to do what you can for the team and they shouldn't throw a fit about having
you around the locker room. You'll still get some funny looks and all, but I
think after a while if they can pass you in the hall and nod and say, "Hey,
look at her, she's all right," that's a pretty good start. We're talking
about high school boys here.
Regarding your parents, I was about to say "buy your own equipment" but you
obviously play already. My parents had no idea why I liked hockey, but it
became pretty apparent after 6 or 7 years of me asking for Red Wings stuff.
It's really tough, especially in a sport that's so expensive and requires
transportation so much, to go about it without a lot of parental support.
Again, just stick it out and show them you mean business. If you're on a
team, which it looks like you are, ask them how they deal with it (if you
can) and get support from them. Do things for yourself; I know my parents
got really impressed with my dedication. Hopefully your parents will come
around.
It's great that the Kings are trying to help some high school programs, even
if the good ol' boys did step in. I hope things pan out for you. I'd be
interested to hear what kind of support any NHL organizations offer for
lower-level teams and women's teams, if any. Has anyone heard of this
happening anywhere?
Good luck!
Susannah
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:12:51 -0500
From: Pia Cseri-Briones
Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
I also disagree that fighting is a "boy" thing. I have seen plenty of
women who get too emotional in a game, want that revenge and make
fighting a "girl thing". While I agree with the comment that the only
good revenge is to so on the scoreboard -- (because after all that's
where it counts) -- I have to say that I like to see a good fight in
the NHL/AHL/IHL game.
It's better to have two guys go "mano-a-mano" than to have stickwork,
slew footing and the rest of the dirty plays. To me a fight is both
guys getting rid of some emotion in a "clean way" (ok maybe not
clean, but not so devious). They get out there, everyone sees it
including the refs, they both will get penalties and sit -- and the
game can continue. As a fan I get to yell mean things and then I
feel much better.
With stickwork, slew footing and the rest, the guy is trying to get
away with committing a foul, possibly causing a serious injury, and
possibly not getting called because the ref didn't see it. It's dirty
and it's bad sport because the idea is : as long as I don't get
caught it's ok to do it. Now that seems much worse than some good
ol' fisticuffs.
And heck, Roger Neilson says that these goons are all just really
nice Christians off the ice. Now that's humourous.
Pia
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:00:45 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: Re: btw
>>It's great that the Kings are trying to help some high school programs.
>>I'd be interested to hear what kind of support any NHL organizations offer
>>for lower-level teams and women's teams, if any.
>>Has anyone heard of this happening anywhere?
The L.A. Kings have been very involved with the community.
They host roller hockey tournaments for youth all year long.
Last year there were atleast 10 day-long tournaments
They have a semi-truck called the "King's chariot". It carries a regulation
size in-line hockey rink and a puck shot machine. Two instructors conduct
clinics with-in the community. It is free of charge.
As mentioned before, they are now offering local high schools financial
help with regards to both roller & ice hockey teams. They are given 2 skills
clinics, & team photo. Plus financial help for equiptment, ice time & uniforms.
If you are curious about it, here is the web site:
http://www.lakings.com/local_hockey/local_hockey_hsh.html
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M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:16:49 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Fighting in hockey
I was the one who quipped that fighting in hockey is
a "boy thing". Several of you have commented that women
and girls also play hockey hard, and sometimes fight.
Yes, they do, but not nearly as much as men and boys.
As an adult beginner, I've played on all-female teams
and on mostly-male teams. The male teams have had one
or two players (men) who would sometimes drop the gloves and
fight, which is one reason I switched to the women's
league. The women's teams do not have players who fight.
Someone mentioned that on the high-school team she
was managing, the boys were vying to show how homophobic
they could be. I've seen this in men in sports too. It's so
offensive! What's the story there? I actually had
one guy on a hockey site explain to me that if he got
an unwanted advance from another man, he was entitled to
beat that man to a pulp. I asked him about what was supposed
to happen if I got an unwanted advance from a man-- was
I entitled to beat him up, or perhaps shoot him with an Uzi?
Nope, no, of course not, women are supposed to get unwanted
advances and like it, but men are not. Little boys learn
that "gay" is an insult well before they know what it means.
(One little boy to another: "Ewww! You kissed a girl?
That's so GAY!")
- --Anne Paulson
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:23:39 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: btw
At 11:00 AM 1/14/00 -0800, Megan Bryant wrote:
>
>The L.A. Kings have been very involved with the community.
As a Sharks fan, I am obliged to hate the Kings with every fiber
of my being, but I must commend them for not only supporting youth hockey
in their area, but also women's hockey. They are putting on a
women's tournament in a couple of months; the final playoff games
will be played at the Staples Center before or after Kings games.
My own Sharks lag far behind in their support for hockey in the
community.
- --Anne Paulson
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:49:23 -0800
From: Chuck Collins
Subject: Re: Fighting in hockey
> I was the one who quipped that fighting in hockey is
> a "boy thing". Several of you have commented that women
> and girls also play hockey hard, and sometimes fight.
> Yes, they do, but not nearly as much as men and boys.
I've tried to hold myself back, but I guess today I need
to chime in.
In recreational hockey, particularly adult hockey where everyone
needs to get up and go to work the next day, fighting has no
place. And I've seen the "boy thing" there where there are some
people who, while playing hockey, live for a chance to get in
a scrap. I've played with people like that, and I hate it.
But to dismiss fighting in hockey in general as hormonal, or as
a determined effort by the leagues to increase bloodthirsty
appeal is also wrong.
The two major sports with the most physical contact aside from
boxing and wrestling are football and hockey. Why are fights so
much more prevalent in hockey? On the surface, you could conclude
that it's because fighting is promoted in hockey.
But in reality, it is a fairly natural result of the nature of
the sport. Every time a right wing carries the puck down their side,
if the same defender keeps whacking them with their stick in the
same place on their forearm above the glove, it just builds and
builds.
If your goaltender is sprawled with every tendon stretched to its limit
and some oaf falls on top, that's unacceptable, and the message needs
to be delivered somehow.
If your golden-boy (-girl?) goal scorer is the object of one too many
borderline cheap shots, there has to be a way to draw the line. You
can say "pay them back on the score board", but in reality that's
just a lot of hot air. If you start running it up, that's when that
superstar is suddenly going to find their neck driven into the pipes.
Part of it is cultural, but it also is part of the strategy and tactics
at the highest levels. If you come out against a team and they're just
making that golden player pay physically every time they're on the ice,
you have to have someone on your team who's job it is to make it stop
or that golden player is going to be black and blue all year, against
every opponent.
Football has a lot more high-velocity impacts than hockey, but aside
from the occasional leg whip, eye gouge or shot at someone's knee, there
just are not as many opportunities to needle the other guy as there
are in one corner battle in hockey. And the occasional football fight
does indeed stem from those leg whips and knee shots, not from the
high-velocity collisions.
Just like someone who skis all day and never falls, if you play hockey
and don't get any penalties, you're not playing hard enough. One of
the reasons hockey is so great to play and watch is that intensity
and heart translate into success more directly than in any other
sport. Part of that intensity is to scrap and claw for every inch.
And another part of that intensity is that, after a while, you either
have to punch someone or your head might explode.
So it's a good thing that women's hockey is not as influenced by fighting
and dirty tactics as the men's and boys' games are. But that's more a result
of the nature of the battles, and less a result of the hormones and
attitudes.
- - Chuck Collins
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:37:26
From: "Craig Roberts"
Subject: MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY
GOPHERS EXTEND WINNING STREAK TO FIVE WITH WIN OVER MAVERICKS
MANKATO, Minn. - Winny Brodt and Ronda Curtin each scored a pair of goals
and Minnesota scored three times on the power play to defeat Minnesota
State, Mankato 7-1 in a Western Collegiate Hockey Association-Women's League
game at the Midwest Wireless Center.
Brodt scored an unassisted goal just 35 seconds into the game and Curtin
scored two minutes later to give the Gophers an early 2-0 lead. Nadine
Muzerall scored on the power play and Betsey Kukowski added her fifth of the
season to put Minnesota ahead 4-0 after one period.
Brodt and Courtney Kennedy opened the second period with unassisted goals
and Curtin's goal at 12:01 of the period made it 7-0. Jackie Koury scored
with 2:44 left in the period for the Mavericks' lone goal.
Minnesota had a 36-36 advantage in shots on goal. MSU, Mankato's Katie
Beauduy stopped 29 shots while Crystal Nicholas had 15 for the Gophers.
The two teams square off in the series finale at 2:05 p.m. Saturday, a game
which will be broadcast live on KDGY-630 AM.
Goals by Period 1 2 3 Tot
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Minnesota........... 4 3 0 - 7
MSU, Mankato........ 0 1 0 - 1
1st period - 1, MINN, Winny Brodt 8 00:35. 2, MINN, Ronda Curtin 15
(Shannon Kennedy) 02:38. 3, MINN, Nadine Muzerall 15 (Courtney Kennedy,
Ambria Thomas) 12:10 (pp). 4, MINN, Betsey Kukowski 5 (Kris Scholz, Sarma
Pone) 18:37. Penalties - Courtney Kennedy, MINN (cross checking) 04:08;
Courtney Kennedy, MINN (checking) 07:34; Anne Rickbeil, MANKATO
(interference) 10:41; Anne Rickbeil, MANKATO (hooking) 13:39; Tristin
Stephenson, MANKATO (interference) 16:34.
2nd period - 5, MINN, Winny Brodt 9 06:06 (pp). 6, MINN, Courtney Kennedy
4 08:26. 7, MINN, Ronda Curtin 16 (Tracy Engstrom, Winny Brodt) 12:01 (pp).
8, MANKATO, Jackie Koury 2 (Tristin Stephenson, Kim Corona) 17:16. Penalties
- - Katie Ingram, MANKATO (tripping) 04:41; Natalie Otten, MANKATO (tripping)
10:26; Kris Scholz, MINN (cross checking) 12:12; Winny Brodt, MINN
(interference) 14:19.
3rd period - Penalties - Courtney Kennedy, MINN (hooking) 04:54; Erin
Hafermann, MANKATO (roughing) 04:54; Sarma Pone, MINN (hooking) 07:41;
Courtney Kennedy, MINN (roughing) 09:31; Katie Ingram, MANKATO (roughing)
09:31; Gwen Anderson, MINN (hooking) 12:42; Sarma Pone, MINN (checking)
15:48; Kelly Olson, MINN (checking) 18:55; Erin Hafermann, MANKATO
(checking) 19:57.
Shots on goal - MINN 13-14-9-36; MANKATO 6-6-4-16. Power plays - MINN 3
of 5; MANKATO 0 of 8. Goalies - MINN, Crystal Nicholas 7-0-0 (16 shots-15
saves); MANKATO, Katie Beauduy 5-5-0 (36-29). Referee - Jerry Krieger. Asst.
referees - Ray Doocy, Kelly O'Brien. A - 123.
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Craig Roberts
Assistant Sports Information Director
Women's Intercollegiate Athletics
University of Minnesota
Check out our website at www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline
612-626-STAT (7828)
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:18:43 -0600
From: "Paul Capobianco"
Subject: wisconsin women's hockey vs. UMD 1/14
1/14/00
Bulldogs' Bark Too Much For Badgers
Duluth, Minn. - Kendra Antony (Yorkton, Sask.) scored her first career hat trick for Wisconsin, but the women's hockey team fell short of No. 5 Minnesota-Duluth, 6-3 at the Duluth Entertainment and Convention Center on Friday.
The Bulldogs scored first with a power play goal at 11:04 of the first
period. Navada Russell shot on a screened Badger goaltender Jen Neary (Dallas,
Texas), which deflected off Michelle McAteer's stick. Brittny Ralph was also
credited with an assist.
UMD added to its total in the second with a pair of goals to make the
score 3-0. Erika Holst scored on an assist by Maria Rooth just 19 seconds into
the second stanza, while Jessi Flink scored at 8:24 from Laurie Alexander.
Just as she did the first time the two teams met, Kendra Antony scored the
first goal of the game for Wisconsin. Antony fired a rebound of a Melanie
Schmitt (Sheboygan, Wis.) shot past a sprawled UMD goaltender Amanda Tapp.
UMD scored two third period goals, shorthanded and even-strength tallies
off the stick of Maria Rooth, to make it a 5-1 game.
Antony scored again with a power-play goal at 14:11 from Kelly Kegley
(Inver Grove Heights, Minn.) and Liz Jankowski (Maple Grove, Minn.). It was her
14th goal of the season.
Minnesota-Duluth added a sixth goal, when the nation's leading scorer,
Jenny Schmidgall, tallied her 26th goal of the season. UMD's second power-play
goal came at 14:44 and the Bulldogs recaptured their four-goal lead.
But the Badgers and Antony were not finished. The freshman forward
converted for the second time on the power play and completed her hat trick at
18:27. Schmitt was credited with her second assist of the game on the play. Six
of Antony's team-high 15 goals have come against Minnesota-Duluth and she has
accounted for all Badger goals against the last remaining unbeaten team in the
country.
"The story of the game has to be Kendra with the hat trick," coach Julie
Sasner said. "She does well against the big teams. She's got a good sense for
the game and she's in the right place at the right time. She's strong, she's
very powerful and has get away speed."
Neary made 44 saves on 50 UMD shots while Amanda Tapp stopped 19 of 22
Badger shots for the win.
The Badgers (10-9-2 overall, 7-5-1 WCHA) and the Bulldogs (16-0-1, 15-0-0)
will close out their season series Saturday at 7:05 p.m.
Diane K. Nordstrom
Associate Director
University of Wisconsin
Women's Sports Information
1440 Monroe St.
Madison, WI 53711
Phone: 608/262-9024
Fax: 608/265-8051
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:42:49 -0500
From: Ken
Subject: Hipcheck
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There has been no updates posted about this magazine, whether they're
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visit the below link and file a complaint.
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This has gone on long enough with Hipcheck and something needs to be
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Anyone who has filed a complaint, I'd like to hear from you.
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