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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 579
In this issue:
Re: Girls/Women's Tournament in Maine
Re:reffing a game
A Tribute to Girls' Hockey
Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
Re: reffing a game
Re: reffing a game
Re: violence in hockey - and the media
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
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Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Re: violence in hockey - and the media
RE: violence in hockey - and the media
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:35:23 -0500
From: "Victoria L. Soldano"
Subject: Re: Girls/Women's Tournament in Maine
The Maine Senior Select Women "The Maine Mosquitos" are hosting a tournament
at Hebron Academy in Hebron, Maine on February 26 and 27th, 2000. The
Tournament looks like it will be a mix of upper level Women's and Midget
Girls teams. First game of tournament begins mid-morning and last game
ends 3pm on Sunday. Three games - $300.00. For more information please
contact email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:07:43 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re:reffing a game
In a message dated 1/10/00 10:28:20 PM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<<
Remember Jill and others, what you perceive is happening and what the
referee
sees can be two totally different things. >>
Good point. My daughter recently was certified as a USA Ref and this job is
harder than it looks. The rule book reads like a law document! As a
player(and spectator) you tend to rely on the ref to make the calls and go to
the correct spot. Then you tend to argue about the call if you don't think
it's right. When it is up to you to make the calls and go to the correct
face off it is alot harder than you think. And of course you have to do this
fast! We all have seen bad reffing. That ref needs to go back down to lower
levels and get more practice, and study the rule book. For a different
perspective on this, the next time you are a spectator try putting yourself
in their skates and make the calls(arm signals, what call, how long and what
zone do you resume play?). Just like everything else in life there are good
and bad(Dr.'s, Lawyer's,Teacher's etc.). I guess my point is, when things
are happening so fast, this is a more difficult job than you might imagine.
This doesn't condone bad calls, just I can better understand how it can
happen since I looked at it from a different perspective.
Debbie #49's Mom
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:57:51 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
Subject: A Tribute to Girls' Hockey
The University of Toronto is hosting a tribute to girls' hockey on the
evening of the women's hockey game between Queen's University and the
University of Toronto Varsity Blues on January 21 2000.
The events planned are as follows:
Jan 21 @6:30 p.m. Meet and get autographs of some current
Varisty Arena and former national team members.
Jan 21 @7:30 p.m. Game between Varsity Blues and Queen's
Varisty Arena University Golden Gaels
For more information, please see this web site:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria/team/blues/2000/tribute.html
There are special prices for groups, so bring your whole team!
Andria Hunter
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:55:32 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
In a message dated 1/6/00 8:24:23 PM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< "Don't check from behind. Sucker punch the guy in the slot instead,"
says Drew Remenda, onetime Sharks coach and now color commentator for the
Sharks (and crusader against checking from behind). I don't think you should
check from behind OR sucker punch, but of the two, the punch is the safer
action. >>
Granted a punch is less likely to do as much damage as a check from behind, I
still can't understand why there is a "need" for punching someone in hockey
or why it is "acceptable."
If you want to get even, do it on the score board. If you can't do it on the
scoreboard, do it on the scoreboard the next time!!
Jill
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:15:49 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
At 02:55 PM 1/13/00 EST, email@hidden wrote:
>In a message dated 1/6/00 8:24:23 PM Central Standard Time,
>email@hidden writes:
>
><< "Don't check from behind. Sucker punch the guy in the slot instead,"
>says Drew Remenda, onetime Sharks coach and now color commentator for the
>Sharks (and crusader against checking from behind). I don't think you should
>check from behind OR sucker punch, but of the two, the punch is the safer
>action. >>
>
>
>Granted a punch is less likely to do as much damage as a check from
behind, I
>still can't understand why there is a "need" for punching someone in hockey
>or why it is "acceptable."
The short answer here is "It's a boy thing."
- --Anne Paulson
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:59:15 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: Re: violence in hockey (was CHA)
>>>The short answer here is "It's a boy thing."
I think it's a "revenge" thing.
But, while you are focusing on revenge, the other team is still focused on the
game and scoring.
Revenge isn't worth a -1 on your stat sheet.
- --
M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:36:12 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: reffing a game
You have made several excellent points. Also coaches and spectators want
every little thing called. There are degrees of things that happen on the ice
and each game and each situation warrents a call or a no call. Unless of
coarse it is blatent. In addition, as you stated, the rule book reads like a
law book, and most coaches and parents don't know all of the specifics of the
rules.
When I am reffing kids games I have to keep in mind that kids aren't the
best skaters yet. When a kid falls is it the result of what another player
did or is it just the fact that that player does not have good balance yet.
Also if every little things was called the flow of the game would be taken
away. It would be like field hockey, which I played, whistles every second.
Anyway, just be more aware of the the refs job be screaming at him or her. As
a player it can't hurt to go up after a call you disagree with and ask
him/her to explain.
Deborah
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:51:20 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: reffing a game
At 7:36 PM -0500 1/13/2000, email@hidden wrote:
> You have made several excellent points. Also coaches and spectators want
> every little thing called.
But only on the other team....
- --
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:email@hidden)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:email@hidden)
Pokemon is a game where children go into the woods and capture furry
little creatures and then bring them home and teach them to pit fight.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:23:16 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
In a message dated 1/13/00 2:17:35 PM Central Standard Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< The short answer here is "It's a boy thing." >>
You are absolutely right! Case in point - while watchign the NHL tonight
they were, once again, glorifying the fights. I think it was the
Isles/Lighting game were there was a scrap in front of the goal. (Including
the goalie.) I heard the announcer excitedly cry out "Kick in the head!!!
Sucker punch!!!! THAT's hockey!"
I think that about sums up the problem with the game.
I doubt you will ever hear that kind of commentary during a women;s game.
Jill
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:41:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Susanica Tam
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
I agree. In my game tonight there was some total cocky
and out of line ref (i think we were short one so one
of the guys that hangs out in the pro shop donned a
zebra shirt) was asking us what we do when we fight
because "when you pull the other's jersey off do you
fight in your bras and stuff?" UGH....he was so
obnoxious.....grr.....hello....what makes you think we
have to fight?
~Susan
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:54:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Susanica Tam
Subject: btw
this is off topic, but was there someone a while ago
who was having trouble with a high school boys team,
she was the manager? i think i just need to vent...ok,
so the LA KINGS have this kind of grassroots program
where they are sponsering a high school league to get
more involvement in southern california...kind of
promotional deal type thing...so of course i was
shocked to hear the announcement for all kids
interested in playing ICE HOCKEY for OUR SCHOOL to
come to a meeting at lunch....and then i find out that
the elite group of guys that have played forever have
already started to rule the turf......so i took
the spot of manager...hoping at least to be involved
and maybe play next year...i dunno.....some of them
are such jerks. There was this whole mini controversy
and then my parents don't like hockey and think i
shouldn't be around guys....it's so
discouraging....grr...ok...well...gonna go have some
hockey dreams now...goodnight everyone.
~Susan
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Susanica Tam
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Speaking of that, does anyone know how i can contact
them? (USA hockey, American hockey,etc) I filled out
and sent in all my USA hockey stuff while i was
staying in a dorm this summer @ UCSB, but about 3
weeks later i left and came home and i never got my
card and stuff...and some random UCSB student is
probably getting MY subscription....what do i do? I
looked at the USA hockey website but there doesn't
seem to be anyone i can contact about getting my
stuff..maybe i didn't look hard enough
thanks,
Susan
- --- "J.E. Hamer" wrote:
> > USA Hockey used to send a rather good magazine to
> every registered player -
> > do they still?
> >
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:57:08 -0500
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
>In a message dated 1/13/00 2:17:35 PM Central Standard Time,
>email@hidden writes:
>
><< The short answer here is "It's a boy thing." >>
I don't think we can be so smug. I have seen slashing, elbowing, and
punches in girls games as well. My daughter plays on both boys and girls
teams, and although there is more hitting on the boys teams (after all, it
is legal), girls have their fair share. We played one team that beat up
on my girls mercilessly. My daughter was threatened by girls who didn't
like her off the ice. There was even the rumour that one team was going to
"get" her after a game because they didn't like her kind of play. It is
everyone's business to keep the game clean and safe.
Debbie
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:28:22 -0500
From: "Roehr, Susan N"
Subject: RE: violence in hockey - and the media
I don't think it's particularly a boy thing, a revenge thing, or even an
out-of-control thing. Fighting is often considered a tactical maneuver, and
is taught as such. We were watching the NHL Rules! broadcast the other
night, and the commentators pointed out several times where a player
instigated a fight when the momentum was going against his team. By
stirring up a fight, he stirred up his team, and they came back and scored.
It reminds me how the momentum in basketball games can swing abruptly after
a dunk or a denial--after an in-your-face place, the team that was down is
suddenly on top.
We tend to think of fighting as violence, as poor sportsmanship, as the
result of male-hormone driven men acting like beasts, when in point of fact,
it is often a deliberate, well thought-out act. It *can* be the result of
emotions, bad play, etc., and definitely the audience views it that way, but
I can see why a team that just scored a goal off a fight might not want to
ban fighting from games.
All of this is not to say I'm a big fan of fisticuffs. I just don't think
it's fair to say "It's a boy thing" when it is being taught as a legitimate
tool of hockey.
S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: email@hidden [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 12:23 AM
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: violence in hockey - and the media
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/00 2:17:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> email@hidden writes:
>
> << The short answer here is "It's a boy thing." >>
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