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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 01 : Number 577
In this issue:
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Defensive zone play
MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
U-10 & U-19 Spring Ice Tournaments
women's Spring Tournament
5-on-5 hockey
Re: 5-on-5 hockey
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:31:30 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>Why isn't your league USA Hockey sanctioned?
Well, I honestly wouldn't know. But I haven't played any ice hockey thats
been USA Hockey sanctioned, in my year of playing. (which includes 1 womens
league, and two coed leagues, (all in-house)) The competitive team I practice
with is, and when I played roller hockey it was.
The rink where I'm playing at has only been around for a little over a
year. They still don't seem too organized, well with their leagues. Like I
explained before, where they don't evenly distribute players joining the
league late.
I haven't noticed any major disadvantages of not having it be USA
sanctioned (not that I would know, since I haven't played under USA Ice
Hockey). Although if it was USA sanctioned, I (being only 17) probably
wouldn't be allowed in the adult leagues (of course, like I said I really
wouldn't know ), and would be required to play in the high school league,
which looks a little scary and way too fast for me.
Jennie
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:36:44 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Defensive zone play
<< >You realize of course that you are not entitled to push a player, and
>you could technically get a roughing or interference penalty. >>
AACK! You mean I've been playing defense incorreclty all this time??!!!
:-)
This is actually one of the fundamentals of Defense. You have GOT TO keep
that slot clear. There is no rule against lifting another players stick.
The only way you can do that effectively is to lean into that player and get
leverage. While you are doing that, push them in a direction where they will
not be screening the goalie and where they cannot get a clear shot - i.e. OUT
OF THE SLOT!
There is no rule in women's hockey against body contact. This is very
different from checking. You have got to understand that what I am talking
about is not a violent and sudden shove ( i.e. NOT a check) that would
cause someone to get knocked down. It is more of a constant and firm nudging
them away. If they happen to fall over it is their own fault, because they
were not balanced correctly (or because they were not smart enough to take
the hint that I will not let up if they are in my slot!)
The only time I have ever been called for this is if it turns into a
pushing match (gettign the hands or elbows involved) or a crosscheck. In
which case, I deserve to go to the box.
Jill
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:32:59
From: "Craig Roberts"
Subject: MINNESOTA WOMEN'S HOCKEY
GOPHERS GRIT OUT TWO-GOAL WIN OVER BEAVERS
BEMIDJI, Minn. - It was less than a stellar performance but Minnesota got
goals from four different players and escaped with a 4-2 victory over
Bemidji State.
The Gophers jumped out to an early lead as Nadine Muzerall scored just 1:05
into the opening period but saw that lead evaporate early in the second
period as Lill Raynard collected her 13th of the season.
Minnesota then took the lead for good when Laura Slominski poked home a
rebound at 14:39 of the second period on the power play.
Over the final two periods, the Gophers outshot their hosts 40-10 but
couldn't break the game open. Shannon Kennedy was credited with her fourth
goal of the season when her centering pass was tipped by a Bemidji State
player and past Beaver goalie Bre Dedrickson.
Lisa Peters got Bemidji State back to within a goal when she picked the
upper right corner through traffic off a faceoff but Tracy Engstrom's goal
just 16 seconds later, with 2:26 to play, sealed the home team's fate.
Dedrickson finished the game with 42 saves while Crystal Nicholas had 10 for
Minnesota.
The two teams conclude their two-game series Tuesday when they meet at 7:05
p.m. at the John Glas Fieldhouse.
Goals by Period 1 2 3 Tot
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Minnesota........... 1 1 2 - 4
Bemidji State....... 0 1 1 - 2
1st period - 1, MINN, Nadine Muzerall 13 (Laura Slominski) 01:05.
Penalties - Amy Shepler, BEMIDJI (tripping) 04:06; Shannon Kennedy, MINN
(holding) 19:26.
2nd period - 2, BEMIDJI, Lill Raynard 13 (Alicia Kinsman, Kerri McEwen)
03:40. 3, MINN, Laura Slominski 8 (Ambria Thomas, Courtney Kennedy) 14:39
(pp). Penalties - Kerri McEwen, BEMIDJI (checking) 06:48; Shannon Kennedy,
MINN (roughing) 08:42; Amy Shepler, BEMIDJI (roughing) 08:42; Alicia
Kinsman, BEMIDJI (elbowing) 12:49; Shannon Kennedy, MINN (roughing) 13:47;
Lisa Peters, BEMIDJI (roughing) 13:47; Tracy Engstrom, MINN (roughing)
16:29; Kerri McEwen, BEMIDJI (interference) 17:30.
3rd period - 4, MINN, Shannon Kennedy 4 12:42. 5, BEMIDJI, Lisa Peters 7
(Kristie Hofer) 17:18. 6, MINN, Tracy Engstrom 11 (Ronda Curtin) 17:34.
Penalties - Courtney Kennedy, MINN (checking) 06:48; Courtney Kennedy, MINN
(checking) 09:12; Katherine Dunlop, BEMIDJI (roughing) 09:12; Amy Shepler,
BEMIDJI (tripping) 13:25; Laura Slominski, MINN (hooking) 14:47.
Shots on goal - MINN 6-21-19-46; BEMIDJI 2-7-3-12. Power plays - MINN 1
of 5; BEMIDJI 0 of 4. Goalies - MINN, Crystal Nicholas 5-0-0 (12 shots-10
saves); BEMIDJI, Bre Dedrickson 6-4-1 (46-42). Referee - Ron Storey.
Assistant referees - Rick Looker, Dan Dow. A - 261.
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Craig Roberts
Assistant Sports Information Director
Women's Intercollegiate Athletics
University of Minnesota
Check out our website at www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline
612-626-STAT (7828)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:51:22 -0500
From: Louise
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
At 11:31 PM 10/01/00 -0500, email@hidden wrote:
> I haven't noticed any major disadvantages of not having it be USA
>sanctioned (not that I would know, since I haven't played under USA Ice
>Hockey). Although if it was USA sanctioned, I (being only 17) probably
>wouldn't be allowed in the adult leagues (of course, like I said I really
>wouldn't know ), and would be required to play in the high school league,
>which looks a little scary and way too fast for me.
This last is a misconception. The category of Senior Women and the
categories for adult men (both checking and non-checking) don't have any
minimum age limit in USA Hockey. (Well, except for things like 30&over,
which you aren't talking about.) And yes, women can play in men's
categories too.
I don't know for sure whether an arena can register teams with USA Hockey,
or whether it has to be an individual team or an association of teams.
There are other privately owned arenas in the USA that run their own
leagues without USA Hockey sanction. I don't know how they deal with the
insurance and risk management issues.
USA Hockey used to send a rather good magazine to every registered player -
do they still?
Louise
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:29:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "J.E. Hamer"
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
> USA Hockey used to send a rather good magazine to every registered player -
> do they still?
>
Yes. It's called 'American Hockey'. The magazine comes out once a month.
As for the league that has been talked about that is not USA hockey, it
doesn't sound that safe. I know this may not be true of all independent
leagues. I would look into other leagues. The part about being 18 & over
is set by the rinks themselves. The rinks do it for the safety of all
players. One of my teams played a high school girls team a few months ago
and it was difficult. Our team didn't play the best at first because we
felt that if bump them slightly we'd hurt them. Now there is the case of
a 15 year old that practices with that same team. Half of my team doesn't
know how old she is. The difference is that she's the same size as most
of us where as most of the high school team was smaller.
Just my $.02.
J.E.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:43:14 -0500
From: "David R. Strong"
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>You cannot get a game misconduct penalty for a high sticking call. The
>folowing are grounds(some are not always a major could be given) for game
>misconducts: checking from behind(now automatically 2 and 10),
>butt-ending,fisticuffs, head-butting, holding grabbing face mask, leaving the
>bench in an altercation, spearing, dropping the gloves, kicking an opponent,
>2nd major in a game, 5 penalties to the same player, persiting
>unsportsmanlike conduct, obscene gestures, racial or ethnic slurs, first to
>intervene in an altercation, player intervening with a spectator.
If the rules are under USA Hockey, rule 617 (b) states in its entirety:
"A major plus a game misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any
player who injures an opponent by the use of a high stick."
David Strong, Analyst/Programmer
Michigan Technological University
email@hidden
(906) 487-2863
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:44:57 -0700
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>>>You cannot get a game misconduct penalty for a high sticking call.
>
>You can in the league I'm playing in, of course its not USA Hockey
>sanctioned. In my game last night (which we lost 7-1), a guy on my team
ended
>up in the box twice, the second time for high stick and 2 minutes for
talking
>back or "unsportsmanlike conduct". But the ref said next penalty he got,
he'd
>be out of the game. So technically it coulda been any penalty that woulda
>gotten him out, amd its kind of a specialized case.
League rules specify that 3 minors in a game is a game misconduct. So the
game misconduct would not have been for the high stick, but for getting 3
penalties.
Also, the league IS insured. And they operate under the guidelines of
USAHockey. There should be no question as to the fact that it is safe to
play at that rink. If you were injured, you are insured, the rink is
insured, the refs are insured (for injury and liability). I don't know
what additional protection USAHockey offers - even though I am covered
under USAHockey through membership in the local women's team. I do know
that USAHockey teams cannot play in non-USAHockey sanctioned tournaments
but that does not apply to a in-house league. If someone could explain
this to me further, please e-mail me privately. I am interested in knowing
more about insurance issues.
> The league (in-house rec) is messed up anyways. It originally started
out
>to be 4-on-4. Last night they changed it to 5-on-5, and our team still
>doesn't even have 10 players on the roster, when most of the other teams
have
>at least 12. My thought would be that they'd evenly distribute any new
>players joining the league, but obviously they don't. Not that I don't mind
>the extra ice time, it'd just be nice to have 2 full lines for once. Just
>thought I'd share.
That league had some troubles getting off the ground so you'll need to give
it some time. It started out as the women's league and then there were not
enough women to have a league so it became the 'coed league'. It started
as 2 teams but by the time they actually started playing, enough people had
signed up so that it had 4 teams. They are continuing to accept people for
the league until they have 4 teams of 15. The league finally got to the
point where they had 1 goalie and 12 skaters per team so they switched to
5-on-5 (what they would have done from the start had there been more people
signed up to play).
Be sure that your team only has 10 skaters rostered - not just 10 people
that show up each week. Also be sure the other teams have 12+ skaters.
Some of the teams have lost players. Then, if you do only have 10 and the
other 3 teams have 12+, have your captain talk to the rink. I'm sure they
would be willing to set things right - they have done so in the past when
teams were small and teams lost people.
If you really don't like playing short, there may be other options. I
personally was unhappy with the women's league in the past (for other
reasons) and now play in the rec league as well as with the local women's
travel team. There are some things to consider about playing rec. You may
have to be 18yrs old to play in the rec league (coed league is 16 and up)
so you'd have to check on that. Rec has games starting as late as 11:10pm
on Tuesday nights (coed league has much better times and on Sundays). And
the rec league tends to have rougher play. But, it does always fill so
there are 6-8 teams of 15+ players.
Shawn
email@hidden
CSU Rams 41 - CU Buffs 14
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:18:54 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: U-10 & U-19 Spring Ice Tournaments
Womens hockey weekend in Toronto
Catch the action in the Womens World Championship
and play some hockey on the same trip!
First annual Toronto Lady Marlies Female Hockey Classic
April 7,8,9 2000
Novice (U-10) to Intermediate (U-19) AA, A and B divisions
Guaranteed 4 games/possible 5 games
Entry fee $545 Canadian/ $450 US
Contact Jim Brown @ 416-690-2399
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M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:19:46 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: women's Spring Tournament
Womens hockey weekend in Toronto
Catch the action in the Womens World Championship
and play some hockey on the same trip!
Sixth annual Toronto Icebreakers Womens Hockey Classic
April 7,8,9 2000. Senior house league, senior rec and senior C divisions
Guaranteed 4 games/possible 5 games
Entry fee $545 Canadian/$450 US
Discount on hotels and to Hockey Hall of Fame
Previous teams include California, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio
Pennsylvannia, New York, Delaware and numerous Ontario teams.
For more information contact Karen Arbour @ 416-948-9791
or via e-mail @ email@hidden
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M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:43:07 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: 5-on-5 hockey
In the league I'm playing in, we just switched from 4-on-4 to 5-on-5. I've
played 5-on-5 hockey before, but I'm on a team of mostly roller hockey
players, so they've never played with 5 (and I'm not too great at explaining
things). The captain and I are the only two on the team that have played with
5. One of the other guys said that we should just do the box, like we have
been, and the center goes wherever the puck is (which I don't exactly agree
with, since its just not logical if the center is all the way across the
rink, and the defenseman is right next to the puck) not that we followed that
strategy anyway. He asked me and the captain what 5-on-5 strategy was, and I
couldn't explain it (the captain basically said "just whatever you want to
do"). So I was wondering how I could explain a basic 5-on-5 strategy to my
teammates that are used to playing 4-on-4.
I understand it basically as man to man coverage: center covers center,
wings cover D, and D covers wings.
Jennie
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:38:31 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 5-on-5 hockey
In a message dated 1/11/00 9:44:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< In the league I'm playing in, we just switched from 4-on-4 to 5-on-5. I've
played 5-on-5 hockey before, but I'm on a team of mostly roller hockey
players, so they've never played with 5 (and I'm not too great at explaining
things). The captain and I are the only two on the team that have played
with
5. One of the other guys said that we should just do the box, like we have
been, and the center goes wherever the puck is (which I don't exactly agree
with, since its just not logical if the center is all the way across the
rink, and the defenseman is right next to the puck) not that we followed
that
strategy anyway.
Jen, you are right that is not logical. I'm a youth coach, so maybe I can
explain it the way I explain it to my kids. I'm not sure what the guy means
by "doing the box". The Box in 5 on 5 would be a penalty kill play, so I'm
not sure what he means about that from an offensive point of view. The
Center's responsibilities is not cut and dry, alot of that depends on what
style the Center is playing. Is he a offensive oriented Center (Wayne
Gretzky) or a more defence oriented Center (Eric Lindros). And the Center
does just not "go whereever the puck is", the Center has a supportive role
for both the offence and the defence. I coach my Centers in a very defensive
style, which would probably work best for your team also. I tell my Centers,
that they are the "3rd Defencemen" and they need to cover the territory which
the defencemen can't which is usually the slot area in your defensive zone.
He asked me and the captain what 5-on-5 strategy was, and I
couldn't explain it (the captain basically said "just whatever you want to
do"). So I was wondering how I could explain a basic 5-on-5 strategy to my
teammates that are used to playing 4-on-4.
I understand it basically as man to man coverage: center covers center,
wings cover D, and D covers wings.
You can look at it that way and you can also look at it as zone
responsibilities, which may actually be better for your team since alot of
them are just starting out in ice hockey, making the transition from roller
hockey. Zonal coverage takes more disciplined and usually helps beginners
more in the long run. I coach 10 and 11 year olds and have for several years
and I wouldn't DREAM of giving them the freedom to only have wings cover
wings and center covers center, etc. I know what a disaster that would be,
cause I would have wingers weaving from one side of the ice to another, which
of course it not what I want. ( ; If you stick with more of a zonal
approach to responsibilites it will be alot more helpful when your tackling
breakouts and defensive zone coverage.
I'm going to privately email you some coaching stuff I have. Also, if you
guys are starting in a new league, if it's a basic Adult league, your gonna
find that alot of teams and players play some really stupid hockey and you'll
win alot of games just by playing smarter, regardless of some of the players
lack of experience.
Jackie
Jennie
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