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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 576
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UW Women's Hockey Release
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Tournaments
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:47:27 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: more on violence, rules, etc.
I'm curious as to opinions on this:
a) While playing defense, and clearing out the slot (lifting the opponent's
stick and pushing her out of the way) the opposing player lost her balance
and fell over. Because I was leaning on her so hard, I ended up falling on
top of her. She sat up and promplty whacked me on the head with her stick.
(good thing I was wearing a helmet!) She got a minor for that.
b) There were 2 other incidents in that game (there were 2 refs. I know at
least one of them saw this) where she whacked me in the head with her stick,
and whacked another player on my team in the head with the stick. Yet no
penalties were called.
c) There was a collission with me and an opposing player. Her stick was up
high, and ended up whacking me on the head with her stick. (yes, it was a
bad night for my skull!) Although those who saw it say it was not
intentional, she ended up with a double minor.
1) regarding situation c, why would this penalty be more severe than an
intentional whacking?
2) regarding situation a, why would this not be a game misconduct for the
player doing the slashing to the head? If I had hit her back with my stick,
or had I thrown a few punches (which I did not) I'm sure that I would have
been thrown out of the game for fighting. IMHO, this was such an overt act
of violence (and she was a reapeat offender durign the game) that this should
not be tolerated. I can understand a minor for slashing other places, but to
the head is totally inexcusable. It does not take anyone older than the age
of 3 to know that hitting someone on the head is wrong.
A related question: how long after a fall (or a trip) does a player have to
remain motionless on the ice before the ref whistles the play dead?
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
# 77 Chicago Ice
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:16:39 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
At 05:47 PM 1/10/00 EST, email@hidden wrote:
>
>
>A related question: how long after a fall (or a trip) does a player have to
>remain motionless on the ice before the ref whistles the play dead?
It could be a long time. The ref shouldn't whistle the play dead until
the offending team touches the puck, unless the
ref decides that the player is seriously injured and needs help
immediately. If you're the victim of a routine trip, get up and
try to score on the delayed penalty.
- --Anne Paulson
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:22:06 -0600
From: "Paul Capobianco"
Subject: UW Women's Hockey Release
1999-2000 WCHA Standings
Overall Conference
W L T PCT. W L T PTS
Minnesota-Duluth 15 0 1 .969 14 0 0 28
Wisconsin 10 8 2 .550 7 4 1 15
Minnesota 12 5 0 .706 7 2 0 14
Bemidji State 10 6 1 .618 3 6 1 7
Ohio State 3 16 1 .175 3 8 1 7
St. Cloud State 7 10 2 .421 2 10 2 6
MSU, Mankato 6 12 1 .342 2 8 1 5
THIS WEEK: Wisconsin (10-8-2, 7-4-1 WCHA) returns to WCHA action with a two-game series again the lone unbeaten team remaining in the country. Conference-leading Minnesota-Duluth (15-0-1, 14-0-0 WCHA) plays host to the Badgers on Jan. 14-15. Both games start at 7:05 p.m.
OLD FRIENDS: Before this week, that last conference game played saw Minnesota-Duluth knock off St. Cloud State 9-2 on Dec. 18. The conference took a 23-day break, which ends Monday, Jan. 10 when Minnesota travels to Bemidji State for a two-game series. Wisconsin's conference break will last 40 days. The Badgers last played a WCHA opponent on Dec. 4 when it defeated MSU, Mankato 5-2 at the Dane County Coliseum. The Badgers will end their break when the play at Minnesota-Duluth on Jan. 14.
SELLING-OUT: On Jan. 8, at the Blue Line Center in Fond du Lac, Wis., a sell-out of 2,209 people watched the Badgers play host to the U.S. Women's Select Team. The standing-room only crowd was the first sell-out for a Badger women's ice hockey event and was the second-largest crowd of the season. Wisconsin attracted 3,892 people to its inaugural contest on Oct. 8 at the Kohl Center.
U-S-A, U-S-A !: Cammi Granato had two goals and two assists, while River Falls, Wis., native Karyn Bye, Erin Magee, Brandy Fisher, Alana Blahoski and A.J. Mleczko each added three points to place Team USA's attack in their 12-0 win over the Badgers on Jan. 8. Erin Whitten played in goal, making six saves to improve to 11-0-0 on the year.
MACMILLAN AND NEARY AND HILLEMAN, OH MY !: Wisconsin was bombarded with 64 shots in its game with Team USA. Goaltenders Jackie MacMillan (Buffalo, Minn.), Jennifer Neary (Dallas, Texas) and Theresa Hilleman (Richland Center, Wis.) each played a period for Wisconsin in the contest. MacMillan started the game and treated the fans to a breathtaking 24 saves on 28 shots. Neary jumped into the fray in the second period and stopped 24 of 27 Team USA shots. Hilleman played the third period, making four saves in 20 minutes of action.
In the past four games, including exhibition games against Team USA and defending Canadian Interuniversity Athletic Union Champion Concordia (Quebec), and games against then-No. 1 Northeastern and then-No. 7 Dartmouth, UW goaltenders have faced 192 shots. Neary leads the group with 85 saves in five and a half periods, while Hilleman has stopped 44 in five and a half periods and MacMillan has made 24 saves in just one period of action over the four-game span.
WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH: Frosh Kendra Antony (Yorkton, Sask.) has led the Badgers in scoring since the first goal scored of the season. After scoring the first three goals in school history, including the first power-play tally, Antony has maintained her place at the top of the Wisconsin scoring chart. Now through 20 games, Antony has 12 goals and 15 assists for 27 points. She had an assist against No. 7 Dartmouth and has yet to go longer than a game without registering a point. Her 27 points puts her fifth in the WCHA in scoring (all games) and she ranks in the top ten in five other scoring categories. Antony also ranks in the top ten in six categories covering just conference action.
Antony has been especially productive against ranked competition. In nine games against ranked opponents, Antony has six goals and five assists for 11 points. The next closest Badgers are Sis Paulsen and Kelly Kegley who both have four points in seven games against ranked opponents.
ONE FOR YOU, ONE FOR ME: The Badgers boast four skaters with at least a point per game average. Kendra Antony leads the quartet with 27 points in 20 games (1.35 points per game). Sis Paulsen (Eau Claire, Wis.) follows with 24 points in 18 games (1.33). Michelle Sikich, with 21 points in 18 games (1.17), and Kelly Kegley, with 16 points in 14 games (1.14), complete the group.
DEFENSE IN NAME ONLY: Defenders own three of the top four spots on the Wisconsin scoring chart. Sis Paulsen leads the defensive corps and is second on the team with eight goals and 16 assists. Michelle Sikich (So., Apple Valley, Minn.) ranks third with 12 goals and nine assists. Kerry Weiland (Fr., Palmer, Alaska) rounds out the trio with seven goals and 10 assists.
As a whole, Badger defenders account for 30 of the teams 61 goals. The blue-liners also account for 42 of 86 assists and 73 of 147 total points.
THE BULLDOGS: Ranked No. 5 in the nation, the Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs enter this week's contests against Wisconsin as the only remaining unbeaten team in the nation. UMD (15-0-1, 14-0-0 WCHA) has swept through the conference schedule with a perfect mark thus far. The Bulldogs only imperfection on their overall record came at the hands of the Princeton Tigers. The teams skated to a 2-2 tie in Princeton, N.J., on Dec. 10.
UMD boasts three Olympians (Jenny Schmidgall - USA, Maria Rooth - Sweden, Erika Holst - Sweden), and the top two scorers in the nation in Jenny Schmidgall and Maria Rooth. Schmidgall leads the nation with 25 goals and 30 assists in 16 games, while Rooth ranks second with 20 goals and 20 assists in 15 games. Hanne Sikio (16-15=31) and Erika Holst (17-13=30) give Minnesota-Duluth four players with 30+ points, and an offense that averages a college-hockey best seven goals per game. UMD has outscored its opponents 112-29 on the season.
Bulldog goaltending has been outstanding as well. Amanda Tapp has a 12-0-1 mark with a 1.32 goals against average and .924 save percentage. Riana Burke has been a serviceable back-up, sporting a 3-0-0 record, 3.25 GAA and .814 save percentage. UMD's goaltending is expected to be given a boost with the addition of Finnish Olympic goaltender Tuula Puputti. Puputti, who is expected to join the Bulldogs with the start of the second semester on Jan. 17, will not be eligible for this week's games with Wisconsin.
Former Canadian Olympic head coach Shannon Miller leads Minnesota-Duluth as its head coach. Miller, who led Team Canada to a silver medal at the 1998 Winter Olympic Games, is in her first season with the Bulldogs and sports a 15-0-1 career mark at the helm of Duluth.
UMD and UW met in both teams' inaugural series on Oct. 8-9. Minnesota-Duluth won the first game 8-1, before winning in a 4-2 game the second night. Kendra Antony led the way, scoring all three Badger goals in the series. Leslie Toner assisted on two of the three. For UMD, Erika Holst had a hat trick in the first game, while Jenny Schmidgall had three goals and five assists and Hanne Sikio had three goals and three assists to lead the Bulldogs in the series.
In goal, Jackie MacMillan made a team-record 50 saves in the first game against UMD. Chanda Gunn stopped 39 shots in the second game. Amanda Tapp played both games, making nine saves in the first game and 14 in the second to earn the wins.
U.S. College Hockey Online Computer Rankings (Jan. 5):
USCHO's Women's D1
Ratings Percentage Index
1 Minnesota
2 Minnesota-Duluth
3 Northeastern
4 New Hampshire
5 Harvard
6 Brown
7 Dartmouth
8 Providence
9 St Lawrence
10 Princeton
USCHO's Women's D1
Pairwise Rankings
1 Minnesota-Duluth
2 Northeastern
3 New Hampshire
4 Harvard
5 Minnesota
6 Brown
7 Providence
8 Dartmouth
9 St Lawrence
10 Wisconsin
11 Niagara
SIGNINGS: The Badgers announced the signing of their first three recruits for the class of 2004 on Nov. 18. Defender Nicole Uliasz (Perkasie, Penn.), forward Stephanie Millar (Hudson, Wis.) and forward Meghan Hunter (Oil Springs, Ontario) signed national letters of intent last week and will attend Wisconsin starting the fall semester of 2000.
HEAD COACH JULIE SASNER: Head coach Julie Sasner (Harvard, 1988) is in her first year with the Badgers after spending six years at the helm of Cornell. The Badgers first coach sports a 10-8-2 record behind the bench for Wisconsin, and is 63-69-8 lifetime. She led Big Red to a 53-61-6 mark and the 1995-96 team to its first Ivy League title since 1990 with an 8-1-1 record. She also directed Cornell to a 15-8-3 record in 1997-98 and a 16-7-2 mark during the 1995-96 season. She was named the 1995 Coach of the Year by the American Women's Hockey Association.
A member of the first U.S. Women's National Team in 1990, she has since helped coach the team at the 1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Women's World Championship. She was also the head coach for the U.S. Women's Select Team that competed in the Three Nations Cup held in Finland in December of 1998. She earned her first U.S. head coaching position, leading the U.S. Women's National Team to a silver medal at the Pacific Women's Hockey Championship in Vancouver, British Columbia in 1996.
COLLEGE HOCKEY STATS: Information regarding all collegiate women's ice hockey teams can be found at: www.collegehockeystats.com. Box scores, standings and statistics are updated following each night's action in college hockey.
ARENA CONTROL: With its game against Team USA at the Blue Line Ice Center on Jan. 8, Wisconsin has now played in five different home buildings. The Badgers started with three of their first four home games at the Kohl Center. They played a game at the Capitol Ice Center in Middleton, Wis., and two at Eau Claire, Wisconsin's Hobbs Ice Center. The Badgers have also played four games at the Dane County Coliseum, the site of the UW's remaining four home games.
UPCOMING FOR THE BADGERS: The Badgers return to Madison when they play host to the Buckeyes of Ohio State at the Dane County Coliseum. The WCHA's fourth-place Buckeyes will face off with Wisconsin on Jan. 22-23, with both games starting at 1:05 p.m.
Paul Capobianco
University of Wisconsin
Assistant SID
PH: 608-263-1983
Fax: 608-265-8051
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:45:56 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: injured players
According to USA Hockey rules 206 e
When a player is injured so that he/she cannot continue play or go to
his/her bench, the play shall not be stopped until the injured players team
has secured possession of the puck; if th eplayer's team is in the possession
of the puck at the time of the injury, play shall be stopped immediately,
unles shis team is in a scoring position. (note) in the case where it is
obvious that a player has sustained a serious injury, the Referee may stop
the play immediately.
Deborah
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:58:38 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
In a message dated 1/10/00 5:49:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< egarding situation a, why would this not be a game misconduct for the
player doing the slashing to the head? >>
You cannot get a game misconduct penalty for a high sticking call. The
folowing are grounds(some are not always a major could be given) for game
misconducts: checking from behind(now automatically 2 and 10),
butt-ending,fisticuffs, head-butting, holding grabbing face mask, leaving the
bench in an altercation, spearing, dropping the gloves, kicking an opponent,
2nd major in a game, 5 penalties to the same player, persiting
unsportsmanlike conduct, obscene gestures, racial or ethnic slurs, first to
intervene in an altercation, player intervening with a spectator.
As far as your question about the double minor. This could have been given
for unecessary roughness.
Remember Jill and others, what you perceive is happening and what the referee
sees can be two totally different things.
Deborah
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:53:40 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>>You cannot get a game misconduct penalty for a high sticking call.
You can in the league I'm playing in, of course its not USA Hockey
sanctioned. In my game last night (which we lost 7-1), a guy on my team ended
up in the box twice, the second time for high stick and 2 minutes for talking
back or "unsportsmanlike conduct". But the ref said next penalty he got, he'd
be out of the game. So technically it coulda been any penalty that woulda
gotten him out, amd its kind of a specialized case.
The league (in-house rec) is messed up anyways. It originally started out
to be 4-on-4. Last night they changed it to 5-on-5, and our team still
doesn't even have 10 players on the roster, when most of the other teams have
at least 12. My thought would be that they'd evenly distribute any new
players joining the league, but obviously they don't. Not that I don't mind
the extra ice time, it'd just be nice to have 2 full lines for once. Just
thought I'd share.
Jennie
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:59:44 -0800
From: Liam Coughlan
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>
> a) While playing defense, and clearing out the slot (lifting the opponent's
> stick and pushing her out of the way)
You realize of course that you are not entitled to push a player, and
you could technically get a roughing or interference penalty.
the opposing player lost her balance
> and fell over. Because I was leaning on her so hard, I ended up falling on
> top of her. She sat up and promplty whacked me on the head with her stick.
> (good thing I was wearing a helmet!) She got a minor for that.
>
> b) There were 2 other incidents in that game (there were 2 refs. I know at
> least one of them saw this) where she whacked me in the head with her stick,
> and whacked another player on my team in the head with the stick. Yet no
> penalties were called.
>
> c) There was a collission with me and an opposing player. Her stick was up
> high, and ended up whacking me on the head with her stick. (yes, it was a
> bad night for my skull!) Although those who saw it say it was not
> intentional, she ended up with a double minor.
>
> 1) regarding situation c, why would this penalty be more severe than an
> intentional whacking?
The only explanation I can come up with is that the referee saw the play
differently than you did.
In CHA santioned hockey in Canada, there is no double minor for high
sticking, only
a) minor,
b) major
c) major and a game misconduct, or
d) match penalty
Could there have been two seperate high sticking penalties?
>
> 2) regarding situation a, why would this not be a game misconduct for the
> player doing the slashing to the head?
In Canada, she would have gotten a game misconduct if the referee ruled
that injury resulted. If the referee felt that there was an intent to
injure then she would have received a match penalty. If neither of
these were believed to be the case, then the maximum penalty would be a
5 minute major.
If I had hit her back with my stick,
> or had I thrown a few punches (which I did not) I'm sure that I would have
> been thrown out of the game for fighting. IMHO, this was such an overt act
> of violence (and she was a reapeat offender durign the game)
Although it is human nature, the referee is not supposed to consider any
previous game or portion of the game when assessing penalties.
that this should
> not be tolerated. I can understand a minor for slashing other places, but to
> the head is totally inexcusable. It does not take anyone older than the age
> of 3 to know that hitting someone on the head is wrong.
>
> A related question: how long after a fall (or a trip) does a player have to
> remain motionless on the ice before the ref whistles the play dead?
>
There is no rule pertaining to length of time. The instruction to
officials is to stop the play if it appears the player needs medical
attention and by not blowing the whistle the player may become further
endangered. If in the opinion of the referee medical intervention is
not an acute requirement then the referee will wait until the injured
players' teammates have possession and control of the puck. Also, if
the official feels that the player stayed on the ice intentionally in
order to get a whistle the referee can call a delay of game penalty.
OK, the actual wording from the rule book
Rule #20 Injured Players
"When a player is so injured so that he cannot continue to play or go to
his bench, the play shall not be stopped until the injured player's team
has secured possession and control of the puck. If the injured player's
team is in possession of the puck at the time of the injury, the play
shall be stopped immediately unless his team is in scoring position, at
which time the Referee shall allow the play to be completed.
(Note 1): Where there is suspicion that a player has sustained a serious
injury, the Referee may stop the play immediately.
> Jill
>
Liam
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:11:06 -0800
From: "David O'Leary"
Subject: Tournaments
Midget Female hockey player looking for tournaments to play in as a pick
up player. USA hockey registerd. Willing to travel around the US
perferably east coast.
Reply by e-mail
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:13:32 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
If you play in the US and don't play in a USA Hockey sanctioned league I
would becareful. You are not protected by USA hockey in anyway. As a referee,
I wouldn't ref a game that was not USA hockey sanctioned for that particular
purpose. There is no one to back you up.
Deborah
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:43:00 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
>>If you play in the US and don't play in a USA Hockey sanctioned league I
>>would becareful. You are not protected by USA hockey in anyway. As a referee,
>>I wouldn't ref a game that was not USA hockey sanctioned for that particular
>>purpose. There is no one to back you up.
I tend to agree.
Especially if this is a league.
Why isn't your league USA Hockey sanctioned?
It is in your rink's best interest, along with everyone elses.
- --
M. Bryant
310 448 7551
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:45:14 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
At 06:59 PM 1/10/00 -0800, Liam Coughlan wrote:
>
>>
>> a) While playing defense, and clearing out the slot (lifting the opponent's
>> stick and pushing her out of the way)
>
>You realize of course that you are not entitled to push a player, and
>you could technically get a roughing or interference penalty.
So if I'm standing in the slot, right next to an attacking player,
in fact, touching her, and I just happen to skate in her direction
shoulder first, and she just happens to move out of the slot or
fall down, then I could be called for roughing? I've been in
three different leagues (all at beginner level) and I've seen a lot
of youth roller and ice hockey, and I've never seen the game called
that way. It may be illegal to shove someone out of the slot, but
it's what coaches instruct players to do and refs don't seem to call it.
- --Anne Paulson
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:02:01 -0800
From: Liam Coughlan
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> At 06:59 PM 1/10/00 -0800, Liam Coughlan wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> a) While playing defense, and clearing out the slot (lifting the opponent's
> >> stick and pushing her out of the way)
> >
> >You realize of course that you are not entitled to push a player, and
> >you could technically get a roughing or interference penalty.
>
> So if I'm standing in the slot, right next to an attacking player,
> in fact, touching her, and I just happen to skate in her direction
> shoulder first, and she just happens to move out of the slot or
> fall down, then I could be called for roughing? I've been in
> three different leagues (all at beginner level) and I've seen a lot
> of youth roller and ice hockey, and I've never seen the game called
> that way. It may be illegal to shove someone out of the slot, but
> it's what coaches instruct players to do and refs don't seem to call it.
Intent is a critical element on a roughing call. Jill said "While
playing defense, and clearing out the slot (lifting the opponent's stick
and pushing her out of the way)" I interpreted her remards to mean that
she intentionally pushed the opposition player, causing the opposing
player to fall down. If you intentional push a player to the ice you
are liable for a penalty no matter what location on the ice it takes
place. However, in every game players jostle for position in front of
the net, and coaches know that it's impractical for a ref to call every
occurance of roughing, so they frequently instruct their defensive
players to get away with as much as they can, and the refs focus on the
most severe cases where a) players are at risk of injury, and b) the
occurance could have a significant impact on the game i.e. roughing a
player about to receive the puck in a good scoring position.
> --Anne Paulson
> email@hidden
Liam
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:23:58 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: more on violence, rules, etc.
In a message dated 1/10/00 6:03:04 PM Central Standard Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< << egarding situation a, why would this not be a game misconduct for the
player doing the slashing to the head? >>
You cannot get a game misconduct penalty for a high sticking call. The
folowing are grounds(some are not always a major could be given) for game
misconducts: checking from behind(now automatically 2 and 10),
butt-ending,fisticuffs, head-butting, holding grabbing face mask, leaving
the
bench in an altercation, spearing, dropping the gloves, kicking an opponent,
2nd major in a game, 5 penalties to the same player, persiting
unsportsmanlike conduct, obscene gestures, racial or ethnic slurs, first to
intervene in an altercation, player intervening with a spectator.
******** I'm not so sure that the first call (where she blatantly &
delibrately got up whacked me on the skull) was actully high-sticking. I
think it was slashing. All that aside, I am surprised that there is no rule
specifically for (delibrate) contact to the head. Whenevre I think about
this, I can still hear that loud "THUD!"
In a message dated 1/10/00 9:03:02 PM Central Standard Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< n Canada, she would have gotten a game misconduct if the referee ruled
that injury resulted. If the referee felt that there was an intent to injure
then she would have received a match penalty. If neither of these were
believed to be the case, then the maximum penalty would be a 5 minute major.
>>
******** Again, surprising that it would only be a misconduct if there was an
injury. I'm not so sure that there is ever a case where someone hits someone
else on the head with a stick and does NOT intend to injur them.....
Jill
# 77 LI Hurricanes
# 77 Chicago Ice
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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