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>I 'm looking for information on the best training and development 
>for young female
>hockey players and how long should they play with the boys . And if 
>it is in the
>best  interest of 7&9 year olds girls to play with to play with 11& 
>12 year old
>girls.


I think that the longer a girl plays with the boys, the better.  The 
game is faster, more skilled, and from what I have seen lately, the 
boys are much more motivated.  My daughter is 14, and started with 
the boys at age 6.  She played from mimi-mite up to one year of 
bantam, then went to her highschool freshman and varsity teams.  She 
is also in her third year of girls hockey.  The boys offer more 
competition.  Even though she enjoys the girls socially, she enjoys 
the hockey better with the boys.  Size and skill really dictate how 
long a girl can stay competitive with the  boys.  Between the 
testosterone, desire to continue playing,  and  size, girls begin to 
drop out early to mid teens.

As far as the best training goes, teach the kids how to skate.  This 
is not a joke.  The best players are the best skaters.  The best 
players I have seen are the ones who continue to work on their 
skating in power skating clinics and whose parents invest time and 
money in skating lessons.  The other skills come later, but cannot 
develop without stellar skating skills.  You can't be good if you 
don't lift your feet, can't do a back crossover, or turn on a dime.

If I had (another) 7-9 year old, I would have her playing squirt and 
peewee, and not with the girls.  Time enough to move onto a girls 
team.  Another plus is this.  My daughter is socially really good 
with the boys.  I don't worry about her out on a date etc.  She knows 
how to handle herself.  Eight years in a boys locker room teaches you 
about being a girl and what you want out of life.  She is not a 
starry-eyed teenager who will fall for the first guy with a line. 
You might say she has seen the enemy...Her attitude about boys is 
healthy and refreshing.

Good luck.

Debbie Minden

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As someone who has played both goal and defense with the boys through
college club, I can tell you that having a girl (other than a goalie)  on
a checking team is very bad for her.  I had a difficult time adjusting to
the better skill/positioning of women's hockey and still am not always
sure where the line is between contact and checking.  She will pick up
some bad habits from playing with the guys, and her future teammates will
not appreciate her being in the PB because she forgot not to check or got
lazy.  If your daughter is that good that you want her playing with adult
men or with a women's travel team since both of those are non-checking.
If your school doesn't have a girls team, try to work out something with a
local private school that does.  HS boy's hockey is where I picked up most
of what hurt me when I switched over to women's hockey.  Goal is pretty
much the same for checking and non-checking so I don't see a real problem
with this for a goalie.

Jennifer




On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Debbie Minden wrote:

> >I 'm looking for information on the best training and development
> >for young female
> >hockey players and how long should they play with the boys . And if
> >it is in the
> >best  interest of 7&9 year olds girls to play with to play with 11&
> >12 year old
> >girls.
>
>
> I think that the longer a girl plays with the boys, the better.  The
> game is faster, more skilled, and from what I have seen lately, the
> boys are much more motivated.  My daughter is 14, and started with
> the boys at age 6.  She played from mimi-mite up to one year of
> bantam, then went to her highschool freshman and varsity teams.  She
> is also in her third year of girls hockey.  The boys offer more
> competition.  Even though she enjoys the girls socially, she enjoys
> the hockey better with the boys.  Size and skill really dictate how
> long a girl can stay competitive with the  boys.  Between the
> testosterone, desire to continue playing,  and  size, girls begin to
> drop out early to mid teens.
>
> As far as the best training goes, teach the kids how to skate.  This
> is not a joke.  The best players are the best skaters.  The best
> players I have seen are the ones who continue to work on their
> skating in power skating clinics and whose parents invest time and
> money in skating lessons.  The other skills come later, but cannot
> develop without stellar skating skills.  You can't be good if you
> don't lift your feet, can't do a back crossover, or turn on a dime.
>
> If I had (another) 7-9 year old, I would have her playing squirt and
> peewee, and not with the girls.  Time enough to move onto a girls
> team.  Another plus is this.  My daughter is socially really good
> with the boys.  I don't worry about her out on a date etc.  She knows
> how to handle herself.  Eight years in a boys locker room teaches you
> about being a girl and what you want out of life.  She is not a
> starry-eyed teenager who will fall for the first guy with a line.
> You might say she has seen the enemy...Her attitude about boys is
> healthy and refreshing.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Debbie Minden
>
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Debbie and I email regularly about our similarly-aged and motivated 
daughters!  I will just add one postscript to her sound advice.  IF you are 
lucky enough to be in a community with a strong girls and womens hockey 
program,  it may in fact be better than the youth (boys) hockey experience.  
I have found that the development of girls and womens hockey is extremely 
varied within my state, region and nation.  Bottom line is to do your 
homework researching the options open to you, and if your daughter is young 
enough,  you can even be part of develoment of better options for her and 
future girls hockey players.

Mary Grainger

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In a message dated 12/21/00 5:40:11 PM Central Standard Time, 
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> .  If your daughter is that good that you want her playing with adult
> men or with a women's travel team since both of those are non-checking.
> 

If you are considering having your daughter play with an adult men's/co-ed 
(non-checking) team you may want to speak with other women who play on that 
team or in that league.  I have friends who play in an adult "non-checking" 
house league, and I hear it can be pretty rough.  The men often check, refs 
often don't call penalties for checking, and fights break out.  Also, they do 
not issue suspensions for fighting, etc.  (personally, I think this would be 
quite effective for cutting back on the fighting, but that;s a story for 
another day.)   Although this does not happen all the time, and it is 
certainly not all players or all teams, it has been known to happen with some 
degree of frequency.   Believe me, I am anything but a wimp, but all of this 
is certainly enough to keep me from playing in that league.

This league could be the exception rather than the rule, but I'm sure you 
would want to find out the scoop first.

Jill

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In a message dated 12/21/00 1:35:01 PM Central Standard Time, 
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> As far as the best training goes, teach the kids how to skate.  This 
> is not a joke.  The best players are the best skaters.  The best 
> players I have seen are the ones who continue to work on their 
> skating in power skating clinics and whose parents invest time and 
> money in skating lessons.  The other skills come later, but cannot 
> develop without stellar skating skills.  

I agree that skating is critical to becomming a good player.  However, there 
is one thing that even the best skaters need, and that is "hockey sense."

Having learned to play hockey (and first REALLY learning to ice skate) at 32 
years, I already started at a disadvantage because I could not skate.  
However, I have been watching the game of hockey for 20 years before I 
decided that I actually wanted to (and realistically had the opportunity to) 
play.

With that 20 years of watching and KNOWING the game, I had somewhat of an 
advantage.  Even though I could not skate to save my life (at first) at least 
I knew what I was SUPPOSED to be doing.  Which, in my opinion, gave me an 
advantage over those who had been figure skating all their lives and never 
watched hockey.

In addition to the skating lessons, I would suggest taking your daughter to 
hockey games - whether they are professional, college, or HS games.  Get to 
the games early - watch the teams warm up.  Watch games on TV,  listen to the 
commentary.   

Also - of equal if not more importance than anything else, don't overdo it 
(skating lessons, watching hockey, etc) so much that they grow to resent 
hockey.  Mix it up with other sports and other activities - whether they are 
helpful to developing hockey skills (cross training in any other sports - 
soccer, tennis, skiing, etc.)  or totally unrleated to hockey (music 
lessons).  No matter what the activity, if it is someting that is *forced* on 
them (e.g.  "No, Sally, you can't go to your friends house after school 
because you have to go to skating lessons 5 days a week, and mommy and daddy 
have paid a lot of money for these skating lessons so you can become the best 
hockey player in the state and get a scholarship to Harvard 10 years from 
now") you may end up with a rebellion on your hands.  



Jill

# 77 Brooklyn Blades
# 77 LI Hurricanes

"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."