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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, April 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 649
In this issue:
2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championship
SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
Re: SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
re-media
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RE: SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
Re: re-media
More on lack of confidence/fear of failure in Girls
RE: re-media
RE: media
Re: Rachel, another comment from Mom
In favor of boisterousness
Re: re-media
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:09:57 -0600
From: Danielle Dufour
Subject: 2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championship
The 2000 IIHF Women's World Championship is in full swing in Mississauga, ON
MEDIA CONTACT INFORMATION:
media centre hotline at the Hershey Centre: 905-755-1051
STATS, PROFILES AND MORE....
The official web site of the Canadian Hockey Association,
www.canadianhockey.ca has in-depth Team Canada player profiles, past history
on the Women's Worlds, as well as a special 'parents scrapbook section' of
minor hockey and baby photos of Team Canada players, sent in by their
parents!
The site also features exclusive REAL VIDEO clips and interviews, as well as
behind the scenes photos...
also, visit: www.canadianhockey.ca for up to date statistics and real time
game reports, and all of the above.
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:41:40 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
Why is it that the US team is always made out to be the bad people by the
Canadian Media? Has anyone read through the articles on SLAM! and other areas
around the web. The references to Team USA are garbage! Here are a few
examples from just ONE story that I found on SLAM! concerning last nights
game versus Finland.
"Cinderella (meaning Finland) getting a pretty good shot at the mean, old
stepmother"
"It was the wallflower embarrassing the prom queen"
"the mousey cousin outstepping the supermodel on her own runway"
"the charwoman one-upping the grande dame"
What kind of reporting is this! Oh, I forgot, the almighty Team Canada are
all princesses, right! Tell you folks what, you can take all five of your
World golds, melt them into one, and they still won't equal that one OLYMPIC
gold medal! Until you win the big show, your are not the champions!
I guess the reason for all this negativity towards the US is that our team
possesses one thing the Canadians will never have....CLASS! Our team is
respectful and gracious, yours is boisterous and a bunch of sore losers! God
I hope the US whips the crap out of the Princesses.
Kelly #24
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:10:37 -0400
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
What are you talking about? That was written by one person in one newspaper. It certainly isn't representative of the entire population of Canada. Why don't you write him? Why are you lashing out at all of us? Try putting things into perspective before you get on the computer and start typing.
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:23:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: unknown
Subject: re-media
At least someone is writting about them. Where's the American media?
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:44:47 -0500
From: "Craig Roberts"
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HALLDORSON ADDS SIX TO NATIONAL CHAMPION HOCKEY TEAM
University of Minnesota women's hockey coach Laura Halldorson announced the
signing of six players, who will join Jerilyn Glenn (Ham Lake, Minn./Forest
Lake), a signee with the Gophers during the November signing period, to her
national championship squad.
Three forwards and three defense make up the group of six players signing during
the spring period. The forwards are La Toya Clarke, Kelsey Bills and Tracy
Palinsky. The defense includes Cecilia Retelle, Melissa Coulombe and Stefanie
Snow.
"ThereÍs talent but also character in this group," Halldorson said. "I think
they are some very special individuals who will add to the team in a variety of
ways. With all of the different strengths and the diversity of talent that these
players bring, we will be deeper.
"Hopefully, by adding a strong class of players, weÍll be in good shape to
contend for another national title. With the wealth of talent we have returning,
plus this group of recruits, weÍll have our most talented team ever."
This year's group of seven players is the Gophers' largest recruiting class
since the team's inaugural season. Minnesota loses just one player from this
yearÍs national championship squad, senior co-captain Shannon Kennedy.
Kelsey Bills, 5-3, Forward, Carstairs, Alberta (Hugh Sutherland High School)
Member of the Carstairs Bruins midget AA boys team...Two-time member of Team
Alberta womenÍs midget squad at the Canada Winter Games, earning a bronze medal
in 1999...Earned team MVP honors for the Olds midget A girls team in 1997...Also
competes in softball for the Calgary Avalanche.
La Toya Clarke, 5-3, Forward, Pickering, Ontario (Dunbarton Secondary)
Scored 28 goals and 45 points in 17 games for Dunbarton this season...Toronto
Star academic all-star team member...Had 21 goals and 33 points for the Leaside
Wildcats intermediate AA team last season...Also plays golf at Dunbarton.
Melissa Coulombe, 5-4, Defense, St. Pierre-Jolys, Manitoba (St. Pierre
Collegiate)
Won three provincial championships with the St. Adolphe Hawks midget AA girls
team...Team captain and league all-star the past two seasons...Assistant captain
for Team Manitoba at the 1999 Canada Winter Games...Also plays volleyball and
softball...Led volleyball team to provincial title in 1999, earning all-star
honors at the championships, and runner-up spot in 1998...Softball team earned
league and regional championships in 1998 when she was named MVP at the
provincial championships.
Tracy Palinsky, 5-5, Forward, Port Elgin, Ontario (Notre Dame Secondary)
Spent 1999-2000 season with the Mississauga Chiefs in the National Women's
Hockey League, Canada's top women's league...Helped team to a third-place finish
at the provincial championships...Registered nine goals and 23 points in 38
games...Second-leading scorer for Team Ontario at 1999 Canada Winter Games.
Cecilia Retelle, 5-9, Defense, Madison, Wis. (Culver Academy)
Captained Culver this season, leading the team to a 30-4-6 record after a
16-16-5 mark in 1998-99...Spent two seasons at Kimball Union Academy before
transferring to Culver...Member of Culver's crew team last year and also played
soccer and softball at KUA...Played on KUA's New England championship team as a
frosh with current Gopher Nadine Muzerall...Participated in USA Hockey junior
national camp in 1997 and 1998.
Stefanie Snow, 5-4, Defense, Bedford, N.H. (Cushing Academy)
Played three seasons at Cushing, earning the team award for best defensive
player this season...All-scholastic Hockey Night in Boston selection...Attended
USA Hockey junior national camp in 1999...Also plays for the Assabet Valley
midge A girls team...Helped lead Assabet to the national semifinals in 1999 and
the team is in the national championships again this year.
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Craig Roberts, University of Minnesota
Assistant Sports Information Director
Phone: (612) 624-0522 Fax: (612) 624-8018
Check out the Gophers on the Web at http://www.gophersports.com
Or call the Diet Coke Gopher Sports Hotline at (612) 626-STAT
GO GOPHERS!
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:20:33 -0700
From: "Phil Cottrell"
Subject: RE: SLAM! Team USA Game Stories
>Our team is respectful and gracious, yours is boisterous and a bunch of
sore losers! God I hope the US whips the crap out of the Princesses.
>
> Kelly #24
Well, that last bit was certainly respectful and gracious of you :)
So what you're saying is that Team USA have been to finishing school and are
more "lady-like" than the Canadians? Maybe USA should be referred to as the
Princesses, then? "Boisterous"? I think that'll hurt the Canadians
big-time. We can't have boisterous people playing hockey, can we?
But thank you for contributing to the debate. Beats equipment enquiries and
hockey bag deodorants as discussion threads :)
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:17:05 -0400
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: re-media
Good point. Where are the American media? I was at the Canadian vs Sweden game last night and heard a rumour that ESPN2 is sending a commentator and colour analyst (Manon Rheume) to do the final game on Sunday. Has anyone else heard of that?
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:24:10 -0400
From: Heidi Kay
Subject: More on lack of confidence/fear of failure in Girls
>I got this e-mail from a gal on the list regarding my post. She is having
>trouble posting to the list, so I decided to post it for her. She makes
>some right on the money observations about our girls in sports. This post
>is long but DEFINITELY worth reading!!!!!!!
Heidi Kay
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>I've spent eight of my 16+ years in the Army training young men and women to
>be either soldiers or officers. I can assure you, what you see is by no
>means unique to either your daughter, or to her particular hockey situation.
>I think you know, instinctively, that this is not just an issue of you maybe
>being an overambitious hockey Mom, but might have something to do with your
>daughter's character development. You're just not quite sure how to
>verbalize it. Maybe I can help.
>
>My experience is that there are always those who quit some endeavor because
>they realize their interests and talents lie elsewhere. I always applaud
>them; they are wiser than most of us. Of the rest who quit, I would broadly
>generalize their reasons as the following:
>
>1. Males - Quit because they can't deal with the discipline (organizational
>and/or self-) and authority;
>
>2. Females - Quit because they can't deal with failure and subsequent
>possible humiliation.
>
>Every guy knows, instinctively, that every win in life is built on lots of
>losses. They are raised practicing that. But we don't allow girls to
>practice failure, so they grow up afraid of it. I know so many talented
>young women who never succeeded in a particular endeavor because they
>couldn't deal with the idea of losing, so they refused to compete, either by
>quitting altogether, or by playing at a lower, less competitive level.
>
>Here's an example that I'm sure will ring familiar:
>
>Boy goalie plays poor game (or is on a poor team) and lets in 10 goals.
>When he comes off the ice he says "Wow! Did you see that fantastic glove
>save I made in the second period? Wasn't that totally cool?" Teammate:
>"Johnny, you really sucked out there today." Johnny: "I did not! We lost
>because you guys can't make goals!"
>
>Girl goalie plays great game and lets in 2 goals and her team wins 3-2. She
>comes off the ice saying "I played so awful. The other team made two goals
>against us becaues of my personal mistakes. I suck. I did xxx wrong, and
>xxx, and xxx..." Teammate: "Janey, we almost lost because you're a girl
>goalie and you suck." Janey: No reply, but she's thinking, "He's right!"
>
>Boys will jump into something because they understand that poor performance
>or a loss is temporary. Failure (even lots of them) is an aberration;
>success is the norm. Girls look at it the other way around.
>
>I don't have this completely figured out, but I have a few observations:
>
>1. We push a boy to compete at the highest level his talent allows. That
>means he is going to play poorly a lot. He masters one level, you move him
>up to the next. He masters the next level, you move him up again. However,
>if he has the capability, you make him practice and continue playing until
>he finally catches up at each level. By the time he is a teenager, he has
>learned, through personal experience, that failure (i.e., poor performance)
>is not the opposite of success; it is part of the journey to success.
>
>2. Girls tend to be more articulate and better verbal reasoners than boys.
>We trust girls' judgements regarding their capabilities more than we trust
>boys'. If a boy says, I want to compete at my present level; I'm not good
>enough to advance, but your experience with him tells you different, you
>encourage him to advance regardless. If a girl says the same thing, we tend
>to say okay.
>
>3. Lack of female role models at all levels hampers girl's parents, as well
>as girls. How do you know that your son is talented enough to compete at a
>higher level? Because you know boys and men at all levels who at his age
>were no better than he is now. You have a spectrum of comparison. No
>parent wants to set their child up for failure, so why push a daughter if
>you are not sure she can make it?
>
>4. Boys are rewarded for "playing up"; girls are not. A boy learns early
>that he gets more attention and respect as a mediocre player on the "A" team
>then he does as the star on the "B" team. Girls just get harrassed ("you
>don't belong here" from peers, "Honey, I don't to see you get hurt" from
>adults). Confidence comes from taking risks and seeing them pay off. Girls
>are not encouraged to take risks.
>
>I realize these statements are not true in every case. For instance, my
>younger son is smart, athletic and popular. Yet, like many girls, he is
>extremely lacking in self-confidence and extraordinarily afraid of failure
>or humiliation. He would rather quit than fail any day of the week. I have
>learned:
>
>1. Don't make quitting easy. Have faith in your judgement; push your child
>to succeed.
>
>2. Help your child define success as taking risk. Reward him/her for being
>the mediocre player on the better team. She will never challenge herself
>otherwise.
>
>3. Help your child learn to deal with negative feelings within the
>situation. As parents, we hate to see our kids (especially girls) hurt, so
>we try to fix it and make the feelings go away. We often do that by
>denying, rebutting or minimizing their feelings. E.g., "I can't do that".
>"Yes you can!"; "I played awful." "No, you didn't!"; "I don't want to play
>with them; they tease me." "Honey, only Timmy and Robbie tease you. The
>rest are okay." We actually do the same thing to boys (also bad). Instead,
>adknowledge and validate the feelings and offer her sympathy. But don't try
>to make them go away. Give her time and she'll work through them. She'll
>eventually learn that horrible feeling of failure in the pit of her stomach
>may suck, but it's only temporary.
>
>4. Teach her to find solutions within the situation. With boys, the
>negative extreme is to put them in a tough situation and let them "sink or
>swim" all on their own. With girls, the negative extreme is to get them out
>of the tough situation. The boy learns to distrust authority figures (my
>parents set me up for failure; so will my coach, boss, etc.). The girl
>learns that she shouldn't even try. Let your daughter know that you're
>going to be her champion; that she'll be successful and you're going to
>help. For instance, getting her extra practice or coaching on particular
>skills, brainstorming smart things she can say back to a tormenter, letting
>her know that you're going to complain to the coach, administration, etc. if
>she is being treated unfairly or harrassed. Become her advocate, not her
>savior.
>
>5. Model positive thinking without minimizing the negative. "Yeah, it's
>too bad you guys lost by 10 goals. But boy, was that ever a fantastic glove
>save you made in the second period!" Remember, you're dealing with
>feelings, not logic, no matter how articulate she sounds. Keep it simple,
>positive and sound like a broken record.
>
>You know your daughter's strengths and weaknesses best. If you truly have
>her best interests at heart and you think she could benefit from this
>opportunity, then go for it. However, if your gut tells you she may not
>make it through, then don't sweat it. Let her learn excellence in soccer
>(or debate, or acting...). I just disagree with the people that recommend
>you "go with your daughter's instincts." You have the life experience; she
>doesn't. That's why she needs parents!
>
>I really apologize for the length and unorganized nature of this email. I
>hope I'm not too far out in left field. As I said, I've been thinking about
>this fear of failure, and lack of confidence in girls for quite a few years
>now. Your post finally triggered me to try to capture some of my thoughts.
>
>Cheryl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:38:09 -0700
From: "Phil Cottrell"
Subject: RE: re-media
>Where are the American media?
>ESPN2 is sending a commentator and colour analyst (Manon Rheume)
My God, them Canadians are everywhere...can't expect no Quebecois goalie not
to favour her own.
All together now.....BLAME CANADA!
Phil
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Spiro Papuckoski
Subject: RE: media
Of all the accredited media at the tournament, there
are only a few American newspapers listed in the media
centre.
From my memory, they are the Boston Globe, a paper
from Utah (Deseret News?) and USA Today are all I can
think of. There could be another 1 or 2 papers.
Here is the article from the venerable Boston Globe.
US TOPS FINLAND
By Barbara Huebner
London -- When the ice is melting, the sticks are
splintering, and the roof of history is about to fall
on your heads, there's only one thing to do: Call Dr.
Granato, the healer of all things hockey.
But there was no need to pick up the phone. Last
night, after the United States fell quickly behind
Finland, 2-0, and threatened to lose its first world
championship game ever to a team not from Canada,
longtime captain Cammi Granato knew without being
asked that she needed to bring her medicine bag out on
the ice and apply the tourniquet.
Full story at:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/098/sports/US_TOPS_FINLAND+.shtml
Spiro Papuckoski
SLAM! Sports
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:48:50 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Rachel, another comment from Mom
I was just at Nationals in Troy with my PeeWee daughter. (More of that
later. ) There was an inspirational speaker for opening ceremonies who did
the whole "girls can do anything, you are all heroes and champions no
matter what happens because you are all here" routine. The 10 and under
girls did not understand what was being said, and the midgets and peewees
were bored to death. The parents were interested. At dinner, all the
comments were very derogatory.
Duh, we know that,
how stupid do they think we are,
do they really think we care about boy put downs,
if I puked up my lunch, I wouldn't be able to play,
when can we skate.
I don't know if that was just the bravado of youth or girls who grew up
post-Title IX. Despite their rudeness, it was pretty refreshing.
Debbie
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:34:05 -0700
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: In favor of boisterousness
At 01:41 PM 4/7/00 EDT, email@hidden wrote:
[some of rant snipped]
>I guess the reason for all this negativity towards the US is that our team
>possesses one thing the Canadians will never have....CLASS! Our team is
>respectful and gracious, yours is boisterous and a bunch of sore losers! God
>I hope the US whips the crap out of the Princesses.
I'd like the Canadians on this list to realize that Kelly's position is not
shared by other Americans on this list. I hope that the US wins the
tournament, but I don't share Kelly's negative view of the Canadian team.
I'm glad that there are all these women playing hockey at a high level, and
I hope that soon there are more.
And if the Canadians are "boisterous", why would that be a bad thing? We
all want to have fun on and off the ice, and if some of us are boisterous,
so what? I hope that those list members who have daughters that play don't
discourage their little girls' boisterous sides. All too often girls are
pigeonholed into quiet, "ladylike" pursuits, and I hope that this list
avoids that stereotype.
- --Anne Paulson
email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:58:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erin Malinowski
Subject: Re: re-media
Our local paper (Chicago Tribune) reported the scores.
They got them wrong (i.e. Japan beating China 3-0) but
they tried :)
E
- --- Cindy Goodman wrote:
> Good point. Where are the American media? I was at
> the Canadian vs Sweden game last night and heard a
> rumour that ESPN2 is sending a commentator and
> colour analyst (Manon Rheume) to do the final game
> on Sunday. Has anyone else heard of that?
>
>
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