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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, April 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 645
In this issue:
Re: embarrassing moments
Program for Girls
hockey parents
RE: embarrassing moments
RE: embarrassing moments
Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
Globe and Mail on Canada/Japan
Re: embarrassing moments
RE: Embarrassing Moments Continued
Update on my "Rachel story"
RE: embarrassing moments
WWHC Broadcasts
Re: WWHC Broadcasts
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:47:29 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: embarrassing moments
>BTW:*My friend and I were discussing the need for 'testosterone patches' so
>we could play more 'grrrr' against the guys...we were just worried about the
>facial hair! (just kidding folks!)
When my daughter goes out to kill a penalty, the boys tell her to go strap
on her balls. Don't you just love 14 year olds?
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:49:33 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Program for Girls
Debbie
This is not a scam. I spoke with Cederchuck (sp?) when I registered my
daughter and it is a viable, and promises to be a very GOOD, camp. If you
have questions about it or need to glean info, I can certainly tell you what
I know. Perhaps Ken Rzepecki, Director of Hockey at Johnny's, can fill you
in. There are a number of girls from my girl's team registered for the camp.
I don't know what number you called, but I've been able to get through last
month. I've not tried this month though. Hope this helps.
Terri (alias email@hidden)
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:00:14 -0400
From: Amy Vorpagel
Subject: hockey parents
i tried to send this earlier but had a problem, sorry if it reposts, but
this thread on girls feeling pressure has got me thinking...
i want to ask everyone's opinion on something: i play on a women's
league
at a smallish inline hockey facility. we only have three teams
on the league and there is a goalie on one of the other teams who is
an early teen. she is a good goalie but no matter how she plays, her
mother is razzing her after the game, criticizing how she played or a
technique that she's not using enough. now keep in mind that the league
i play on is not all that comptetitive. we play hard, but i think most
of the players play for fun, not for glory. when we walk off the rink
to change clothes (everyone changes out in the common area), her mother
is all over her... she keeps track of shots on goal (i don't think the
facility even does that), criticizes bad plays, you name it. i don't
think
i've heard anything positive come out of her mouth all season.
when i hear this woman i get so angry. a bunch of other women on my team
do too, but no one has said anything to her. i try to encourage this
goalie, but that's so small compared to the criticism she seems to get
constantly. we have playoffs coming up and i am tempted to say something
to this woman if she goes off on her daughter again. i know it's not my
place to tell someone how to raise their child, but it just seems
counterproductive to her development as a player at the very least. do i
say something to the goalie, say something to the mother, or just mind
my
own business?
it is definitely refreshing hearing some of the positive attitudes of
parents on this list. keep up the good work and the encouragement. :)
peace,
amy
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:09:40 -0500
From: "Roehr, Susan N"
Subject: RE: embarrassing moments
This is what I want to know--a lot of women go over the boards instead of
through the door--how did you all learn to do that without falling flat on
your face? I occasionally catch my skate or stick going through the door.
Going over the boards onto the ice is an impossibility.
S.
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:37:43 -0400
From: Louise
Subject: RE: embarrassing moments
At 08:09 AM 04/04/2000 -0500, Roehr, Susan N wrote:
>This is what I want to know--a lot of women go over the boards instead of
>through the door--how did you all learn to do that without falling flat on
>your face? I occasionally catch my skate or stick going through the door.
>Going over the boards onto the ice is an impossibility.
I haven't gone over the boards (in either direction) in 10 years or more,
and I can't think when was the last time I saw a team-mate try it. I can't
even remember why it once seemed more efficient than knowing who was next
out and getting ready to open the door for the player coming off.
Louise,
feeling old today ...
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:38:06 -0400
From: Trisha Thorme
Subject: Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
Hi everybody,
I'm new to this posting to the list thing, so please try to
bear with me! I agree with all of the posts that remark
on how perceptive your daughter is, Heidi.
What I want to say is that what she is noticing is oppression--
and that this is the way that oppression works. Each person
from the oppressed group (please excuse my clumsy language)
ends up carrying the representation of the entire group. So if
they fail, it reflects badly on the whole group ("Girls or women
or African-Americans or gays or -fill in the group- can't ... "),
and if they succeed and do well they are the exception ("She
plays well for a girl.").
We could have a much longer conversation about the nature
of oppression if folks are interested, this is just the beginning.
Discussing, working through, and changing it is definitely
a challenge for you as a parent and for all of us as a society. I
think drawing attention to it, as she did, is the first step (have
I mentioned how amazingly great that is?). I'm looking
forward to hearing what she decides and I'm sure she'll be
fantastic at whatever she does.
Trisha
Queenston Hockey Club #22
At 10:51 AM 04/03/2000 -0400, Heidi Kay wrote:
>
>She is AFRAID of making mistakes. She doesn't want to move up (to offense
>or to the mite travel team, because if she makes a mistake the boys will
>tease her and tell her she doesn't belong because she is a girl. Somehow
>she thinks that she is not worthy to be there, and that she has to be
>"perfect" or she is going to be told she doesn't belong. We have NO idea
>where this feeling has come from. She had that one bad experience with a
>boy, and that is ALL we know of. We are a very liberated, family with
>lots of female athletes for role models (none, hockey however). She has
>continued to be the only girl in the league for most of her "career" however.
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:44:55 -0700
From: "Phil Cottrell"
Subject: Globe and Mail on Canada/Japan
I tried to send this directly from the Globe site, but the list wouldn't
accept it. Here we go in plain text:
> The Globe and Mail, Tuesday, April 4, 2000
>
> Women's team perfect but still a hard sell
>
> By James Christie
>
>
> Mississauga -- The Canadian women's world championship hockey team remains
=
> the perfect secret.
> The Canadians welcomed the world tournament to Mississauga last night with
=
> bagpipes and Mounties and concussive fireworks; with mayor Hazel McCallion
=
> dressed to play, from helmet to skates; and with a lopsided 9-0 win over
th=
> e outsized and outclassed Japanese team.
>
> It was Canada's 26th consecutive victory in world championship play as the
=
> team seeks its sixth consecutive global title. But though the slick and
qui=
> ck Canadians have a perfect record, women's hockey remains a hard sell.
>
> The official opener took place before about 1,000 fans in the Hershey
Centr=
> e, many of them schoolgirls who had been given tickets to promote the
event.
>
> They got to see a legend in the making. Hayley Wickenheiser scored a goal
a=
> nd added three assists to run her national team totals to 44 goals and 103
=
> points. She joins veteran Danielle Goyette as only the second woman in
inte=
> rnational hockey to top 100 points. Becky Kellar had two goals and one
assi=
> st. Cheryl Pounder notched a goal and two assists.
>
> Canadian head coach Melody Davidson has elected to rotate goalies Kim
St-Pi=
> erre and Sami Jo Small through the early matches, giving each a
half-game's=
> work to stay involved.
>
> Even with that strategy, the disparity between Canada and some of the
teams=
> will make it tough for a goalie to get a feel for action. Small lists her
=
> hobby as "sleeping", and it could well be possible to doze off between
shot=
> s.
>
> Forward Dana Antal, of Esterhazy, Sask., a 23-year-old rookie, will miss
th=
> e tournament. Antal suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in her left
=
> knee during Canada's 10-0 exhibition win over Germany in Kitchener last
Wed=
> nesday.
>
> Amanda Benoit of the national champion Beatrice Aeros was summoned to
repla=
> ce Antal. Benoit, 24, had a goal and two assists as a member of Canada's
go=
> ld-medal-winning national women's team in 1999. She has just completed a
ch=
> ampionship season with the Aeros, winning the Esso National Women's Hockey
=
> Championship.
>
> Japan's game last night was the country's first in the A-pool of the
women'=
> s world championship since the inaugural tournament in 1990. The country
fi=
> nished last as host in the 1990 Olympics, but the exposure alone was a
boos=
> t for Japanese hockey.
>
> As with the Russians, several players showed high individual skill levels,
=
> but coach Takayuki Hattanda needs to get more teamwork out of the young
ros=
> ter. Japan iced the youngest player in the tournament, 15-year-old
defencem=
> an Emi Nonaka, and the smallest. Most of the Japanese are under 5-foot-5.
>
> While women's hockey is a sport Canadians dominate and point to with
pride,=
> Russian women say it's treated almost as a vice in their country.
>
> "We are viewed as weird," assistant captain Katia Pashkevich said of the
cu=
> ltural hurdle.
>
> "In Russia, 'a woman is a woman' and they're not supposed to play men's
spo=
> rts like soccer and hockey," said Pashkevich, after the Russians were
demol=
> ished 7-1 by Finland and outshot 53-13. "Coaches refuse to take girls on
bo=
> ys teams. I played for my school team and the coach had to lie and say I
wa=
> s a boy."
>
> Russians may be obsessed with men's hockey, but there are only six
ill-equi=
> pped women's teams in Russia and when the Russian women failed to qualify
f=
> or the Nagano Olympics, the government jerked their funding.
>
> "Lots of people thought I was a boy. It was hard mentally, there was so
muc=
> h teasing. Here, you call a girl in hockey Tomboy, a rowdy girl. Over
there=
> , they think you're half-man," Pashkevich said.
>
> Because of the lack of support, the Russian women see no international
comp=
> etition, have no profile and no resources. "About 80 per cent of us came
he=
> re with only one stick," said Pashkevich, who plays for a senior team in
th=
> e Boston area and coaches the women's team at Massachusetts Institute of
Te=
> chnology. The Russians hope to catch sixth place and an Olympic berth
here.
>
> Canada meets China at Kitchener Memorial Auditorium at 7:30 tonight. In
oth=
> er games today, Finland meets Germany at 4 p.m. at Mississauga's Hershey
Ce=
> ntre; the Olympic champion United States plays Russia at 7:30 at the
Hershe=
> y Centre and Sweden meets Japan at 7 p.m. at Niagara Falls Memorial Arena.
>
> The teams have a day off tomorrow.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:53:51 -0700
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: Re: embarrassing moments
>>This is what I want to know--a lot of women go over the boards instead of
>>through the door.
I always do this because it is faster than waiting in line to get out the door
with either your D-partner or, worse yet, with 2 other forwards.
Plus, If the players that are coming off also choose the door(s), it can
be a really bad line change.
- --
M. Bryant
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:42:07 -0500
From: "June Wheeler"
Subject: RE: Embarrassing Moments Continued
Great Topic!
I am a 20-year veteran A-level goalie who by the fate of injury has turned
into a B2-level left wing. Let me tell you, it was like learning a new
sport - not the strategy, but the skills!
I was playing in a rookie league scrimmage last summer. As a goalie, it was
VERY seldom I had to go over the boards, and now as a skater I was pretty
tentative about it. Well, you know the saying - "she who hesitates is
lost"!
I was trying to go over the boards carefully when my tailbone-pad on my
breezers hooked on the boards - then, trying to reverse my momentum, I got
my leg stuck on the "wrong side" of the boards...the end result was my
hanging UPSIDE DOWN by one knee over the boards, just above the ice!!! And
laughing about it, as I was hysterically, makes it even harder to right
yourself. Anyway, with a bit of help from my buddies I was lowered to the
ice so I could resume my shift. I still giggle when I picture watching
everyone skating around upside-down!
And I still love hockey!
June #13 (formerly known as #30)
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:29:24 -0400
From: Heidi Kay
Subject: Update on my "Rachel story"
Firstly, I wanted to say that I am overwhelmed with the support and
kindness shown to me and my family by readers of this list. We have as a
result of this post: purchased a super-cool youth girls hockey t-shirt for
Rachel's birthday, started the connection process for a possible pen-pal
with similar experiences, and had offers for notes and letters to Rachel
from collegians, a high school player and possibly an Olympian. In
addition, one of you has planted a seed in my husband's head to possibly
start a team for younger girls up this way.
Last night, the in-house team scrimmaged, and as part of the practice Alan
had all of them play at every position (something he has never insisted on
in the past) and Rachel registered her first assist from the wing. So she
now knows that she can play wherever she wants to, and can be successful at
it.
I also have reconnected with the Florida Youth Girls Hockey Organization,
per someone's suggestion, and found out that there will be some all girls
clinics in Florida this summer. Rachel is all excited about that. She
also is all set to devour the new issue of American Hockey Magazine that
arrived yesterday with Natalie Darwitz and Krissy Wendell on the cover.
We told Rachel that she doesn't have to practice with the travel team if
she doesn't want to, and that seemed to relax her quite a bit. Yet, when
Josh asked me to read the team roster to him last night, Rachel chimed in
that she had played with most of those kids before. Maybe she will choose
to check it out later this season.
What a difference a few days can make. Thanks everyone.
Heidi
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:38:12 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: RE: embarrassing moments
>This is what I want to know--a lot of women go over the boards instead of
>through the door--how did you all learn to do that without falling flat on
>your face? I occasionally catch my skate or stick going through the door.
>Going over the boards onto the ice is an impossibility.
Most of the girls I see trying this very classy manoever for the first time
land on their butts, not their faces!
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:03:15 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: WWHC Broadcasts
Does anyone know if any of the games will be Internet broadcast on
Broadcast.Com or Real Networks? How about on basic radio in Canada?
Too bad iCrave TV is gone. Would have been nice to watch TSN's coverage live
on the computer! :-)
If anyone is taping the games that TSN shows, I'd be willing to purchase a
copy of any Team USA game you have. E mail me if interested!
Rob
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:37:16 -0700
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: Re: WWHC Broadcasts
>>If anyone is taping the games that TSN shows, I'd be willing to purchase a
>>copy of any Team USA game you have.
I would also be interested in purchasing a video of Team USA.
- --
M. Bryant
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