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Women-in-Hockey Digest Sunday, October 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 042
In this issue:
Only in Texas....
Re: Only in Texas....
Girl's and Women's Ice Hockey Tournaments
Re: Only in Texas....
Re: WPHL
USA v. Canada Box and local links
[none]
Re: Only in Texas....
Re: WPHL
Cammi Granato RULES!
Re: WPHL
WPHL
Re: WPHL
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:06:56 -0800
From: "C.L. Smart"
Subject: Only in Texas....
Pretty quiet these days on the list! Just went to my first WPHL (that's
WESTERN Professional Hockey League) game the other night. My "team" down
here is the Central Texas Stampede; they play south of Waco. Well, they
have cheerleaders! No, it's not a typo. Cheerleaders! They're dressed in
cute little black and red teeny skirt cheerleader outfits, with pompons.
They line up between the benches and seats and do little dance numbers. I
suppose I should be offended, but mostly I just watch them and laugh. Does
anybody else have a local professional team with cheerleaders? I've been to
NHL and IHL games, and never seen the like. Of course, only in Texas would
you see cowboys (big belt buckles, tight jeans, boots and hats) sitting in a
rink cheering a hockey team! Naturally, the fans go crazy when there's a
fight.
The ice is in the county exposition center, which hosts all kinds of
different events. Last week we went to a dog show there. The boards were
still up, but they had taken the plexiglas down and covered the ice. The
dog show was held on the ice, inside the boards! This summer, I attended a
rodeo that was held in the same arena (no ice, of course). The zamboni is
kept in a little garage right out back of the main building, next to the
stock barn. A lot of us hockey players go in that way when we take our kids
to play in the league, or go to play ourselves. You walk by horses being
taken out of trailers, skirt goats and sheep in cages on the backs of pickup
trucks, then walk around the piles of manure and sawdust, as well as the
pile of zamboni snow. Only in Texas!
So who else out there can tell an interesting story about their rink?
C.L.
(who is actually enjoying living in Texas)
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:09:30 -0500
From: "Elizabeth Bell"
Subject: Re: Only in Texas....
The only team that I have ever seen with Cheerleaders is the Louisiana
Icegators of The ECHL(east coast hockey league) I have to say it was a
pretty ridiculous sight. The cheerleaders were called the "gator girls" and
had their own section to do little cheers in. Luckily the team I root for
(Stingrays), nor any other team in the league, don't have cheerleaders.
Alexis
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> From: C.L. Smart
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Only in Texas....
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 1:06 PM
>
> Pretty quiet these days on the list! Just went to my first WPHL (that's
> WESTERN Professional Hockey League) game the other night. My "team" down
> here is the Central Texas Stampede; they play south of Waco. Well, they
> have cheerleaders! No, it's not a typo. Cheerleaders! They're dressed
in
> cute little black and red teeny skirt cheerleader outfits, with pompons.
> They line up between the benches and seats and do little dance numbers.
I
> suppose I should be offended, but mostly I just watch them and laugh.
Does
> anybody else have a local professional team with cheerleaders? I've been
to
> NHL and IHL games, and never seen the like. Of course, only in Texas
would
> you see cowboys (big belt buckles, tight jeans, boots and hats) sitting
in a
> rink cheering a hockey team! Naturally, the fans go crazy when there's a
> fight.
>
> The ice is in the county exposition center, which hosts all kinds of
> different events. Last week we went to a dog show there. The boards
were
> still up, but they had taken the plexiglas down and covered the ice. The
> dog show was held on the ice, inside the boards! This summer, I attended
a
> rodeo that was held in the same arena (no ice, of course). The zamboni
is
> kept in a little garage right out back of the main building, next to the
> stock barn. A lot of us hockey players go in that way when we take our
kids
> to play in the league, or go to play ourselves. You walk by horses being
> taken out of trailers, skirt goats and sheep in cages on the backs of
pickup
> trucks, then walk around the piles of manure and sawdust, as well as the
> pile of zamboni snow. Only in Texas!
>
> So who else out there can tell an interesting story about their rink?
>
> C.L.
> (who is actually enjoying living in Texas)
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:13:10 -0500
From: Karin Lofstrom
Subject: Girl's and Women's Ice Hockey Tournaments
Tournament Info:
I am interested in getting the email addresses of anyone who is hosting a
women's hockey tournament in the 1997-98 season. Could you please send me
your tournament info along with your email address to email@hidden
Thanks for your assistance.
KL
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:12:55, -0500
From: email@hidden (BOBBIE STANFILL)
Subject: Re: Only in Texas....
Where'd ya been, son? We've been griping about the Irritable Irrestibutts
for days now. At least they don't wear high school cheering outfits, just
purple too-shorts & crop bras that show every spare tire.
Tell me, is the Brahma@ CenTex game the day after Turkey Day really sold
out?
oops, I see you posted this on the Women's list, not the *real* WPHL list
Teach me to scroll down to read the "headers"
bobbie upstate in FtWorthless
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:18:15 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WPHL
I think the WPHL is a good idea. They'll be enough fan interest, not right at
the start but it will get bigger. If it gets started now, thats more people
that will get interested and want to play when they grow up. I'd want to play
in it.
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:26:09 -0700
From: "RKNielsen"
Subject: USA v. Canada Box and local links
Here is the box score from last night's game. Attendance was 7,306.
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Canada 1 2 1 0 0--4
USA 1 3 0 0 1--5
FIRST--1, Canada, Hefford (Brisson, Wickensteiner), 13:39. 2, USA, Looney
(unassisted), 16:05. Penalties -- Bailey, USA (body check), 9:05.
SECOND--3, USA, Sobek (Mounsey), 4:31. 4, USA, Ruggiero (Merz, Bye), 5:28
(pp). 5, Canada, Hefford (Schuler, Dupuis), 8:22 (pp). 6, Canada, Hefford
(unassisted) 12:49 (sh). 7, USA, Dunn (Granato, Ruggiero) 17:00 (pp).
Penalties--Brown-Miller, USA (body-check), 3:03; Dupuis, Canada
(interference), 3:40; Smith, Canada (interference), 4:58; Bye, USA
(hooking), 8:02; Dupuis, Canada (slashing), 12:09; Smith, Canada (cross
check), 13:25; Ruggiero, USA (charging), 13:25; Sunohara, Canada (cross
check), 16:06.
THIRD-- 8, Canada, Brisson (unassisted), 0:42. Penalties--none.
OVERTIME-- No scoring. Penalties-- Merz, USA (body check), 6:20; Bye, USA
(slashing), 8:11.
SHOOT OUT-- Canada (none). USA (Granato).
SHOTS ON GOAL-- Canada 7-10-7-5-0-29. USA 10-13-11-3-1-38.
PP opps-- Canada 1-5. USA 2-4.
GOALIES-- Canada, Dube 31:23 (15 shots 12 saves), Reddon 38:37 (19 shots,
18 saves). USA, Tueting (29 shots, 25 saves).
REFEREE - Vicki Kale. Linesmen - Stoukje Brown, Evonne Young.
ATTENDANCE-- 7,306 (10,716).
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Also, visit the following sites for local (Salt Lake City) coverage of last
night's game.
(Unfortunately, some of the local press is still surprised that women play
the game)
http://utahonline.sltrib.com/102697/sports/3906.htm
http://utahonline.sltrib.com/102697/sports/3715.htm
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ROBERT NIELSEN
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I know. Too confusing. I need one life instead of three.
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:34:07 EST
From: Jill Depto
Subject: [none]
does anyone have the contact phone number or
email address for the women's hockey magazine??
i moved and have to tell them my new address.
thanks,
jill depto
email@hidden
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:54:27 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Only in Texas....
The RHI (Roller Hockey International) has cheerleaders....im not sure if all
the teams do but the 2 teams that I watch the most (Anaheim Bullfrogs and LA
Blades) both have them...
Becky #19
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:50:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Alicia L Roberts
Subject: Re: WPHL
How can you say that the fan interest isn't there? When the ECAC
All-star team played the Olympic team last weekend in Concord, there were
1500+ people there and more wanted tickets but it was sold out. UNH has
sold over 1500 tickets for when they play the Olympic team on Nov 2nd and
they are selling more everyday. We are expecting at least 3000 fans at
the game! A lot of the players on the National team are the ones that
have committed to the league.
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> They're out of their minds. There is no way in the world this can succeed.
> There aren't enough elite players, there's not enough fan interest, and I
> seriously doubt there's enough money in a place like Hooksett to get this off
> the ground.
>
> Five years, maybe. Ten years, possibly. Fifteen to twenty years, yes. But
> now is not the time for a women's professional league. Why people are
> insisting on forcing this now is beyond me.
>
> Lisa Evans
> Easthampton, MA
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:29:29 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Cammi Granato RULES!
if there are any hockey player/surfers who want to go to college and play BUT
are from areas more enviromnetally desolate and fear closterphobia from
massive forests, please email Shabooeee at email@hidden! Thanks
love always,
annanomous
PS you can email Shabooeee even if you dont surf and are from an area, such
as California, and suffer from severe closterphobia from the numerous amounts
of jungles surrounding everything in the east
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:14:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Alicia L Roberts
Subject: Re: WPHL
I know of a lot of minor pro teams that only pull in about 5000 people and
they do fine. The community loves them and are die hard fans. That is
the start that is needed for women's pro hockey. I know for a fact that
even players like Cammi Granato are not going to make much in the first
years of the league but give them time. Most men's pro athletes didn't
start making millions the first years of their leagues either. Allow the
sport to grow, the fans will come in time. The AAGPBL was laughed at when
it was formed but by the end of the league, Fort Wayne had drawn over a
million fans. How are you ever going to know the league won't work if
you don't try? Women's ice hockey is one of the fastest growing sports in
North America. If we give young girls a goal to pursue with a
professional league, more are likely to join and continue to play. At
college, I hear of many talented players each year who give up hockey
because they can't go anywhere with it. That could be one more star that
could draw in more fans.
Yeah, 1500 isn't enough to support a pro team but it is a start. Didn't
they sell out the World Championships at over or around 10,000 seats (and
something like 700 were standing)? I would love to see our game sold out
next weekend. Can you imagine the headlines for a women's college game
bringing in over 6000 fans?
Oh, and by the way, most men's college football teams can't even
financially support themselves.
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, C.L. Smart wrote:
> 1500, even 3000 people for a game isn't near enough to pay the rent for a
> pro team. I'd be willing to bet that, in most cases, the college women's
> hockey teams do not pay for themselves; and their players don't get paid!
> Even for a small, new league like our WPHL (whose players probably make very
> little), the rinks are somewhere in the 7,000 person size. I doubt they
> sell out, but from what I've been told, they regularly pull in 5,000 or
> better.
>
> C.L.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alicia L Roberts
> To: email@hidden
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: WPHL
>
>
> >How can you say that the fan interest isn't there? When the ECAC
> >All-star team played the Olympic team last weekend in Concord, there were
> >1500+ people there and more wanted tickets but it was sold out. UNH has
> >sold over 1500 tickets for when they play the Olympic team on Nov 2nd and
> >they are selling more everyday. We are expecting at least 3000 fans at
> >the game! A lot of the players on the National team are the ones that
> >have committed to the league.
> >
> >Alicia Roberts
> >UNH Wildcats #31
> >
> >On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> >
> >> They're out of their minds. There is no way in the world this can
> succeed.
> >> There aren't enough elite players, there's not enough fan interest, and
> I
> >> seriously doubt there's enough money in a place like Hooksett to get this
> off
> >> the ground.
> >>
> >> Five years, maybe. Ten years, possibly. Fifteen to twenty years, yes.
> But
> >> now is not the time for a women's professional league. Why people are
> >> insisting on forcing this now is beyond me.
> >>
> >> Lisa Evans
> >> Easthampton, MA
> >>
> >>
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:27:39 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: WPHL
This is largely my reply to Alicia, plus a few other points....
I'm glad that UNH is drawing well...but when I attended a Northeastern game
last spring, they drew barely 200 in Matthews Arena, most of them family and
friends of the players. There might well be fan interest in a few areas, but
Durham is hardly typical, any more than Storrs, Connecticut, is typical of
the usual draw for a women's college basketball game. In fact, Durham is
probably a *bad* example, since it's an isolated town with few alternatives
for winter entertainment.
Also, how much do tickets cost? How many are students, not adult fans? And
how many *other* elite women's college teams draw like that? Besides, 1,500
isn't even enough to pay the concessionaires' salaries at a minor league
game, even in the low minors like the United League or the two Western
Leagues. Besides, what's the pay scale for this proposed league? Most
leagues below the AHL, IHL and NHL pay around $250 per week before taxes,
plus meal money for road games - and draw around 4,000 a game, not 1,500.
I'm glad UNH is doing so well, but I very seriously doubt that there is
enough *general fan interest* to sustain a women's pro league right now. As
a spectator at an Albany Choppers game six years ago, I can truthfully state
that there are few more heartbreaking sights in sport than seeing 200 fans in
a 15,000 seat arena. UNH draws well *for a women's college game*, but the
first franchise of this league is in Hooksett, which is a lot closer to the
border, and competition from Boston the soon to be AHL team in Lowell, and
all the men's college teams. I would be willing to bet that the average
hockey fan in the southern New Hampshire/northern Massachusetts area thinks
women's hockey began and ended with Manon Rheaume, and thinks it was all a
publicity stunt anyway. And based on what I hear at AHL games, minor league
hockey fans love hitting and the physical side of the game, and unless the
new league allows the players to check, Joe and Jane Trufan won't even walk
in the door.
I truly hope I'm wrong and you're right, but I've seen all too many alternate
hockey, baseball and basketball leagues to have much hope *at this time*.
Ten years from now, when there *is* a fan base outside of a few colleges and
when there's a deep enough talent pool, maybe, but right now I just can't see
it. What's wrong with waiting until there's at least an NCAA championship?
Lisa Evans
Easthampton, MA
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:30:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Alicia L Roberts
Subject: Re: WPHL
Durham is not an isolated town first of all (or is it just that where I
grew up I'm used to having to go outside of the town for sports). Boston
is only a short way from Durham as is Portland, ME, both which house pro
men's teams.
Most of our fans and other fans of women's hockey like the game because it
is a finesse game. You have to be skilled to play at this level and the
fans enjoy watching the skilled players. Have you ever watched Carisa
Zaban rush the puck up the ice completely untouched because of her
talented hands and place the puck anywhere she wants in the net? Have you
ever watched Tara Mounsey play defense or Belliveau play goal? It is
breath-taking to watch. Don't get me wrong, we do get physical. Just
because the rules say no checking, doesn't mean there is no contact.
I think true hockey fans know there are more quality players than Rheaume.
Erin Whitten was the first woman to play in a regular season professional
hockey game and the first female to win in a men's pro game (along with
several other titles of the same sort). I'm sure everyone remembers Cammi
Granato being asked to the Islanders camp last year. Kelly Dyer also
played pro hockey in the minor leagues. There was also another female
goalie that played pro last year but I don't know her name or anything
more about her. Mounsey is also well known in the Concord area and the
rest of the state.
I usually don't look into the stands to see the size of the crowd but
sources tell me that the ECAC Finals last year had a few thousand people
at it and I know there were a ton of people at our game at Brown last year
(either that or the few people along with the band that was there can yell
at and jeer an opposing goaltender pretty well, but I had a good laugh
that day). I'm sure that if the teams had top caliber players on it, the
fans would flock to see them play. If you think about it, there will be
four teams that would be able to concentrate the talent until the talent
pool grows. The league has Olympic athletes from several countries to
pick from along with the elite players from the US and Canadian colleges
after they graduate. Canada also has a strong senior program to draw players
from. It has shown that the elite teams draw crowds so if the WPHL has
elite players, they should draw crowds.
UNH charges for attendance, one of the few in the ECAC I believe. I think
we normally charge $3 or $5 for games and students are free with their id.
Everyone must pay for tickets for the game on Nov. 2nd against the Olympic
team, $5 each. This game is not covered in the student activity fee along
with the men's Governor's Cup tournament over Thanksgiving Break.
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
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