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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 594
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Girls teams
by Tina JW Danzig
2) RE: The Size Issue
by Tina JW Danzig
3) Re: Girls teams
by June Nejman
4) Losing Perspective over Age vs Size
by email@hidden (Rachel Greenhow)
5) Re: Girls teams
by Louise Chim
6) Re: Girls teams
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
7) A hockey page
by Jessica Yeo
8) RE: Women's Shoulder Pads
by "Wayne Burgess"
9) RE: Comment on girl h.s. hockey in MN
by "Wayne Burgess"
10)
by "Wayne Burgess"
11) Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
by email@hidden
12) Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
by Tina JW Danzig
13) Re: Girls teams
by Tina JW Danzig
14) Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
by email@hidden (Jules Smith)
15) Team Canada 1997 Olympic Training Camp Roster
by Andria Hunter
16) Re: Age vs Size
by email@hidden
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:06:11 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Girls teams
Message-ID:
Michelle,
Don't worry, the boys accept the girls playing hockey. My daughter plays
and the boys enjoy having her on the team. For the last 2 years she has
been the only girl, and the boys have voted her captain. But I do suggest
you get some private lessons so you can learn the proper way to check. I
don't know anything about inline skating rules, so I don't know if you
check or not. But you NEED to learn to do it the proper way, both checking
and taking checks so you don't hurt anyone or get hurt. Besides that, just
go out and have fun playing the game.
Tina
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:06:19 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: RE: The Size Issue
Message-ID:
Debbie,
As a mother of another 11 year old girl heading into Pee Wee's, I had to
smile when I read your message.
I've been lobbying for the change in girls ages. I know it won't happen,
but I tried anyway. Mostly because I was approached by the Squirt A Rep
Team coach, who would love to have Jena stay back and play for him. Jena
really wants to play on a Rep Team. Last year she wasn't choosen, even
though my husband was told, by the Rep B Team coach, that she was better
than 75% of the kids trying out. We were told it was because she was a
girl that she didn't get picked. Not from the coach of course, but from
some of the other parents on the team. It was heart breaking for her. I
don't think I'll ever get over the look on her face when she didn't make
the final cut. I'm sure I cried more than she did. It was horrible.
Especially because her attitute was, "I'm going to work so hard and do so
good, that he has to pick me." See we had been told this coach wouldn't
pick her, even before she tried out. But she wanted it so bad, she tried
out anyway.
But now Jena is taking private skating lessons from 2 different coaches,
one is a figure skater the other is a hockey coach. Then she takes power
skating and 2 different clinics a week. One is a checking and angles
clinic, the other a 2 hour checking and drills clinic. She is learning the
proper way to check and take a check. She is actually loving it and having
a ball. Now she has no desire to stay down, although she really wants to
make a rep team. There is so much talent going up this year from Squirts
to Pee Wee's that it will be a miracle if she makes a team. But she keeps
pressing on, so who knows what will happen when September rolls around.
BTW, it is Jena who wants to do all the lessons and clinic. She'd do more
if I'd let her. But she rides and shows horses also, so she only has so
much time!
Good luck to your daughter,
Tina (Hockey Mom of Jena #14)
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 08:20:32 -0400
From: June Nejman
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls teams
Message-ID:
At 04:53 PM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay, You people are starting to scare me. Next year I will be a
>freshman in high school. I plan on playing(trying out) for the HS Hockey
>team. I am an advid in-line hockey player, but I have to admit I have
>never played ice hockey in my life. And now there is this constant talk
>about the size and age differences on coed hockey teams. I am 14, 5'6",
>and about 143#. Next year If I make the team I'll be playing against
>seniors practicly twice my size. Okay thats a little exageration, but
>you get my point. I have no idea how the guys will react to having a
>girl on there team, but I am ready, or atleast I thought I was ready, to
>play against them no matter how big they are. Since I started following
>the HS team, no girls have played. Hey, there's a first time for
>everything!
>
>Michelle
>Future Howell Highlander(I hope!)
>
>
Michelle,
Go for it girl! But if I were you I wouldn't be so concerned about size,
etc., you need to get on the ice NOW. Roller hockey is great but there are
differences in roller and ice hockey and the transition isn't always
smooth. You will need to develop new skills if you expect to make any team
and be competitive.
Jake #8
Miami Ice Arena
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:39:16 -0500
From: email@hidden (Rachel Greenhow)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Losing Perspective over Age vs Size
Message-ID:
6/6/97
Umm, excuse me, but what happened to the manners on this list? I'm sorry,
but everyone needs to lighten up a little bit about this issue and remember
that we're all trying to help out the cause of women's hockey, right?
Before joining this list 3 months ago, I was playing in ignorance that all
of you existed with a variety of men's and women's teams here in Chicago.
I've been skating all my life, but my parents wouldn't even let me play
hockey when I was a kid, and that was in Canada. I started playing hockey
as an adult and have now played for 7 years and loved EVERY MINUTE I've
been able to be on the ice, even when I'm the tiniest person out there!
Sure I wish I had had the opportunity to play for a girl's Pee Wee or H.S.
team, but hey, I'm just so happy to be playing again, that I don't mind. I
joined this list to get info about camps, clinics, opportunities to play in
other states/provinces, and I've heard tons of really useful information.
But this past 10 days of going back and forth over what the average height
is for a 16 year old girl, etc, etc, seems a little pointless to me.
That's my 2 cents.
Thanks,
Rachel Greenhow
Rachel M. Greenhow
(W) Chippewa Elementary School
12425 S. Austin Ave.
Palos Heights, IL 60143
(708) 388-7260
(H) 1117 N. Dearborn, #603
Chicago, IL 60610
(312) 649-1465
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 06:53:59 -0700
From: Louise Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls teams
Message-ID:
At 10:13 PM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Don't worry, the boys accept the girls playing hockey. My daughter plays
>and the boys enjoy having her on the team. For the last 2 years she has
Having played on a boys teams for two years now, and on a boys travel team
this year, I can say that usually boys on the team do accept girls playing
hockey, particularly if you're an average to above-average player on the
team. Trouble begins with guys on the other team, but that's an entirely
different story all together.
Problems usually only arise when you're below-average in skill level
relative to the team and the boys seem to think you don't belong there.
But, I think this applies reagardless of whether you're a girl or a guy.
I also think it really depends on the coach. I've been fortunate enough to
have two really great coaches, who were receptive to having a girl on the
team, and treated me with a lot of respect, both as a person and as a player.
I've heard horror stories from other girls who have played on boys teams
and were treated like dirt both by the players and the coaches.
So my advice is really to check out the coaches.
Louise :)
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:19:54 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Girls teams
Message-ID:
>At 10:13 PM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Don't worry, the boys accept the girls playing hockey. My daughter plays
>>and the boys enjoy having her on the team. For the last 2 years she has
>
>Having played on a boys teams for two years now, and on a boys travel team
>this year, I can say that usually boys on the team do accept girls playing
>hockey, particularly if you're an average to above-average player on the
>team. Trouble begins with guys on the other team, but that's an entirely
>different story all together.
>
>Problems usually only arise when you're below-average in skill level
>relative to the team and the boys seem to think you don't belong there.
>But, I think this applies reagardless of whether you're a girl or a guy.
>
>I also think it really depends on the coach. I've been fortunate enough to
>have two really great coaches, who were receptive to having a girl on the
>team, and treated me with a lot of respect, both as a person and as a player.
>
>I've heard horror stories from other girls who have played on boys teams
>and were treated like dirt both by the players and the coaches.
>
>So my advice is really to check out the coaches.
>
>Louise :)
Amen!
We have had great coaches who are gender blind. If the coach is, the team
is (usually). The only trouble Jessica has ever had is with the occasional
parent, and if she had been a boy who challenged the son in the same way,
the trouble would have been the same. There is nothing like a father who
thinks his 10 year old is going to the NHL. The funny thing was, one
father started a whisper rumor that Jess was the dirtiest player on the ice
- a true compliment in Philadelphia. This was the father of the kid who
got 2 game misconducts for checking from behind. Always remember where the
complaints and rumors come from.
Just go out and have a great time. Size, age, etc, can be overcome by
skating skills. Better to put your money in skating clinics than the
latests, greatest skates. Take the extra $75 and get power skating lessons.
Debbie
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jessica Yeo
To: email@hidden
Subject: A hockey page
Message-ID:
I started a womens hockey page at http://infolanka.com/people/Goathead
Take a look at it and if you know of any good links not up there,
please
tell me. Also, I'm looking for some good pics to put up.
J Yeo #4
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 15:24:05 UT
From: "Wayne Burgess"
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Women's Shoulder Pads
Message-ID:
Laura let me know email@hidden
-----Original Message-----
From: email@hidden On Behalf Of Laura
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 11:43 AM
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Women's Shoulder Pads
Hi,
I just wanted to let listniks know that I tried on a pair of Louisville
women's shoulder pads and really liked them. My local skate shop was
holding a pair for someone else so I tried them. They actually had room
for my breasts! What a concept! Anyway, they are ordering two different
sizes for me to try on and I will buy the size that fits the best. I'll
let you know what I think of them after I play in them.
Laura
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 15:54:53 UT
From: "Wayne Burgess"
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Comment on girl h.s. hockey in MN
Message-ID:
Wayne, Toronto
A very noble attempt. Unfortunately though as a player since the age of 3 now
into my creaking knees of 33, the option of removing hitting from the game
would eliminate a very crucial part of the game. Without hitting forget the
goalie and create a basketball size net. The game would be shinny. Hockey is
an extremely fast game and hitting balances out the speed of the game. I ask
you to watch a tape of the last NHL All - Star game. You will quickly see how
boring the game would become. The female needs to realize that the male enjoys
combative sports and should not try to ruin our fun so they can integrate
themselves with the guys. Yes without hitting, the more talented skater and
playmaker will be more effective, but if you are not willing to compromise on
the combative sports issue you should put your daughter in a non contact
league. This is a very simple solution. Though I think you will find the truly
great players have no problem functioning in a full contact environment. Their
skill rises above it.
-----Original Message-----
From: email@hidden On Behalf Of Tina JW Danzig
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 1997 5:02 PM
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Comment on girl h.s. hockey in MN
Dorene,
I think girls hockey will totally shock the world with how good it is. I
think the game will be far faster, less violent with more skill than the
boys game. I watch my daughter play in the clinics she does every week.
On Monday night, the coach was teaching them a new skill. (Jena is the
only girl in her clinics.) The coach was explaining to them what he wanted
them to do. Jena was the only kid who did it right. The coach screamed,
"finally someone is listening." I think this is typical of girls. I was
reading somewhere that girls listen better and are smarter than the boys
and therefore easier to coach. Take away the checking, and what you will
have is a smart, fast and fun game of hockey to watch.
Sincerely,
Tina (Hockey Mother of Jena #14)
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 16:09:13 UT
From: "Wayne Burgess"
To: email@hidden
Message-ID:
Wayne, Toronto
I am currently building a database of Mens and Womens Recreational Leagues in
North America for a Web Site . If anybody knows of any adult leagues in their
area send me an e-mail to email@hidden. Include the area code and
phone number.
Thanks a-lot.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:25:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
Message-ID:
Gadzooks!
Everone should chill out just a little!!! After all, we're all here because
we have something in common; Everyone is entitled to their opinions and
there is no need to resort to insults and petty criticisims.
Girls can play with boys, Women can play with men, women can play with girls.
Personally, I have played with girls younger than me, women older than me and
teenage boys AND full grown men. I feel that the men are more aggressive and
I tend to work hardest when I play with them, the girls are quicker,
sometimes better skaters and seem to have no fear of injury, (mainly because
they try to kill me when I've played with them...) with the women, depending
on the level of play are an equal matchup, usually, and seem to have the
worst tempers (in the higher skill levels, and the teenage boys are usually
very quick and skilled.
Please, just agree to disagree and be done with the arguing.
I think maybe, skill should be the primary way that levels are decided,
followed by age not only for safety reasons but the social aspect of the game
and individual maturity, followed last by size, because lets face it we all
come in different shapes and sizes.
Now, have a nice weekend!
Lisa Addario
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:14:21 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
Message-ID:
Lisa,
I agree with you 100%. It is silly to argue about age, size etc. It's a
great game, we all love it. And, we'll always have our own opinions and
feelings on how it should be run. It really borthers me when people get
personal with their feelings towards someone who thinks differently than
they do. Like you said, lets all agree to disagree.......and continue to
share different constructive information.
Sincerely,
Tina
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:14:46 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re: Girls teams
Message-ID:
I keep getting the same messages sent to me over and over again. Is there
a way to stop the duplication?
Thanks,
Tina
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 12:50:19 -0400
From: email@hidden (Jules Smith)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Age vs Size & what about my poor little darling???
Message-ID: <9706061650.AA27244@pinion>
Peggy Wrote:
>You show a myoptic view of hockey and seem unwilling to discuss change.
Where did you get your neanterthal mentality? Rules in sports change. I
was pointed out that you do not have to be elitist to look at a sport
differently and try to improve it.
I believe you meant to type "MYOPIC". Any apparent shortsightedness on my
part is a product of your own defense. If you would calm down and actually
read what I wrote, you'd have a better understanding of my argument AGAINST
classifying youth hockey teams by size. For example: have you ever heard
the term, "Hockey Rules" (meaning, "It's the best")? My statement had
absolutely nothing to do with the changing of said rules, and everything to
do with the fact that in some countries, it is a way of life. And by
replying to your suggestions on the list about "age vs. size", I AM
discussing "change".
>Check your dates, I have been there and seen the etchings, they are from
the 1800's
The etchings I mentioned depict the 1600's. Perhaps you missed them. You
could also look in the Hockey Hall of Fame book and see them. I don't know
of any society that dressed in 1600's clothing in the 1800's. ( I remember
the ones YOU are talking about, though.)
>We are trying to promote girls hockey teams, but at this point we have a
limited number of girls playing and until we can enroll more girls into the
hockey tech program and increase the numbers, then our girls have to play
on the coed teams. Besides, my daughter is leaving the area and youth
hockey that has consumed our last 5 years will soon be a thing of the past.
You know, that's really great about your daughter. I have patiently read(I
say "patiently" because you tend to repeat her stunning accomplishments over
& over) of her accomplishments while playing hockey with the "big boys". Do
you realize how contradictory you sound? If your daughter fared so well,
don't you think others will? Or is your daughter a female Gretzky and
you're arguing on behalf of all those other kids who have less talent?
>I wish you would GROW UP. Don't you read what I write??? I said my
daughter does play with the boys in two sports. Has never complained about
playing with the boys, nor asked for special consideration. She does it on
her own merit and I have never questioned her self-confidence. I was making
an observation based on things I have seen over the last 5 years being
involved in youth hockey.
You see, I actually DO read what you write. And the reason I felt I had to
respond is that there are a number of young women on this list who are just
getting into Ice Hockey, and to make the decision to play or not, they need
the opposing views on an argument about smaller kids getting-in your words-"
maimed in the name of fair play".
Michelle Langley wrote:
>Okay, You people are starting to scare me. Next year I will be a freshman
in high school. I plan on playing(trying out) for the HS Hockey team.
You see? Peggy, the LAST thing we need is for a scaremonger (ie: chicken
little, "the sky is falling..") to frighten young women and their parents
out of learning & playing the sport.
>My daughter has been recruited by no less than 4 colleges to play with
them. She is an honor roll student and Scholar Athlete. She has made it in
the world on her merit, no thanks to the inequalities that do exist, like
the prejudice of coaches not to pick a girl for the team, even if she is the
better player, because she is "too small".
There you go again, making my point for me. You sound awfully bitter about
having been born a woman... prejudice exists even for "white males". It's
part of life. If I had held your views on prejudice against women, the
option of being a Mechanical Engineer or graduating Summa Cum Laude from MIT
would never exist for me. (Neither would being the Female Captain of an
all-male hockey team in the Boston area.)
(Miss Carolyn Simon writes:
> So, all of you mothers out there who seem far too defensive about sending
your little girls out on the ice. If women's hockey has any hope at all in
gaining publicity over the next few years, bringing people to court over age
divisions isn't going to do anything. Any respect we currently have (which
is barely nothing) of the common citizen will go out the window. They WILL
say "Haha they think girls are good as boys, but all they do is complain.
Face it, girls can't cut it!" )
You go, girl! You know, Peggy, there are other ways to solve this so-called
*problem* in "youth hockey over the past 5 years". Actually, this problem
most likely exists because the sport is literally exploding into communities
where the only sport kids really played was little league baseball. The
sport of Ice Hockey is "hot" right now with kids.(who can tell if the
interest will last?) A poll cited in a recent "Hockey News" found that an
overwhelming number of young kids & teens voted Ice Hockey the "Coolest"
sport- OVER basketball, football & baseball.
And about your "averages"- the last time I checked, the averages you quote
include CAUCASIANS & AFRO-AMERICANS ONLY (check out the accuracy of those
stats- they are quite biased, and quite dated.) The US has many asians,
indians, hispanics and others whose average heights bring your amazonian
caucasoid average WAY down. These are the type of kids who are now entering
the sport. Soon, any difference in size will be greatly watered down.
>If that is the case then why all the discrimination cases that are hitting
the courts and the whole Title IX issue???? We have come a long way baby,
but we have far to go even yet.
Title IX doesn't allow for an older girl to play on a younger boy's team
because she is smaller than the boys her age. That is what we are
discussing. There STILL won't be equality for girls who insist on playing
on a boy's team! It is unreasonable to expect them to change this. ( And if
I sued to gain admission to the Citadel military institution, I would not
hesitate to shave my head if that is what they require of their cadets!)
>> Intelligent Automation Systems, Inc.
>>From my opinion the only thing intelligent at your company, must be the
automated systems. IMHO!
IMHO??? Humble, your opinion is not. You know, you seemed pretty
level-headed to me in the past. But seriously, in a debate, when one party
attacks the other on this personal of a level, it is a desperate attempt to
steer attention away from the fact that their argument hasn't a leg to stand
on! ( I don't think I'm the one who needs to "GROW UP".) If I were as
hyper-sensitive as you, I (OR MY COMPANY) might threaten to file suit
against you for:
A. LIBEL (li' bel) n. 1. A written, printed or pictorial statement that
unjustly damages a person's reputation. 2. The action or CRIME of presenting
such a statement to the public. (which, on this list- YOU ARE!!!)
OR...
B. SLANDER (slan' der) n. A false and MALICIOUS statement or report that
damages the the reputation or well-being of another.
(My company is one of the (if not THE) most respected engineering firms in
the WORLD. We are well on our way toward helping the U.S. regain, then
retain it's position of the world's manufacturing leader. Check out our web
site.)
I'll not continue this debate out of courtesy to the list- I know it has
been quite annoying, sorry! :0
To all the young women on the list who are just starting out in Ice Hockey:
You'll love it! Just remember who you are & that you can do anything if you
want it badly enough. Most importantly: Don't let anyone (like Peggy) set
limits FOR you!
Jules Smith #8 Captain, Shooters
Shut up & SKATE!!!
Intelligent Automation Systems, Inc.
149 Sidney St. Cambridge, MA 02139
617.354.3830 fax:617.547.9727
e-mail: email@hidden Find us on the Web! " www.ias.com"
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:15:30 -0400
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: Team Canada 1997 Olympic Training Camp Roster
Message-ID:
I have added information about the Team Canada 1997 Olympic
Training Camp to my Canadian women's hockey web page at:
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/Canada.html
See the section called "1997 Team Canada Outlook" and follow the "
1997 Olympic Training Camp Roster" link to the training camp roster
and to an article called "Women invited for Olympic tryouts."
Here's the training camp roster:
PLAYER RESIDENCE TEAM
GOALIES
Dube, Danielle Vancouver, B.C. Central Texas Stampede
Minier, Isabelle Breakeyville, Que. UQuebec Trois-Rivieres
Reddon, Leslie Fredericton, N.B. Olympic Oval
Rheaume, Manon Charlesbourg, Que. Reno Renegades
DEFENDERS
Brisson, Therese Frederiction, N.B. Maritime Sports Blades
Campbell, Cassie Brampton, Ont. Guelph/North York
Diduck, Judy Sherwood Park, Alb. Edmonton Chimos
Fahey, Rebecca Sackville, N.B. Olympic Oval
Heaney, Geraldine Weston, Ont. North York Aeros
Kellar, Becky Hagersville, Ont. Brown Bears
Scheibel, Carol Wilcox, Sas. Olympic Oval
Smith, Fiona Edmonton, Alb. Edmonton Chimos
FORWARDS
Antal, Dana Esterhazy, Sas. Cornell Big Red
Botterill, Jennifer Calgary, Alb. Olympic Oval
Dupuis, Lori Williamstown, Ont. UToronto/Newtonbrook
Drolet, Nancy Drummondville, Que. Jofa-Titan
Goyette, Danielle St. Nazaire, Que. Olympic Oval
Hefford, Jayna Kingston, Ont. UToronto/Mississauga
James, Angela Thornhill, Ont. Newtonbrook Panthers
Letendre, Luce Brossard, Que. Ferland 4-Glaces
McCormack, Kathy Fredericton, N.B. Maritime Sport Blades
Nystrom, Karen Scarborough, Ont. Newtonbrook Panthers
Schuler, Laura Scarborough, Ont. UToronto/Northeastern
Shewchuk, Tammy St. Laurent, Que. Harvard Crimson
St. Louis, France St. Hubert, Que. Ferland 4-Glaces
Sunohara, Vicki Scarborough, Ont. Newtonbrook/Northeastern
Wickenheiser, Hayley Calgary, Alb. Olympic Oval
Wilson, Stacey Moncton, N.B. Olympic Oval
COACHES
Shannon Miller -- Head Coach, (Calgary, Alta.)
Daniele Sauvageau -- Assistant Coach, (St-Eustache, Que.)
Ray Bennett -- Assistant Coach, (Red Deer, Alta.)
Glynis Peters -- Manager
Much thanks to Richard Hungerford for sending this roster to me.
Andria Hunter
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:47:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Age vs Size
Message-ID:
<< basically,
what it comes down to is: If you can't take the heat, get off the ice.
Don't damage the reputation of our sport cause your kid is small...
whatever the national average may be.
-Carolyn #21
NJ Selects
>>
I am 100% in agreeance with you! Your the smartest person on here I've heard
yet. I am not about to let any of these over protectice mothers out there
ruin the reputation of women in hockey for me. If you can't cut it in a boy's
league then find another option, cause I don't want to deal with all the
whinney crying babies! Maybe hockey is not the sport for some of these girls.
You know there are other options.....
Kellie
MHS hockey #30
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