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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 481
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: varsity status
by "Serene Satterlund"
2) Re: Re[2]: The Red line
by email@hidden (Jules Smith)
3) Why women are the way we are...
by email@hidden
4) Re: club membership
by email@hidden
5) Re: varsity status
by email@hidden
6) Re: reversal -- Rheaume
by email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:22:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Serene Satterlund"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: varsity status
Message-ID:
> I think that the varsity label can sometimes be taken the wrong way. Being
> a varsity team does not necessarily mean anything......there are varsity
> teams that are varsity in name only and receive very little else from their
> university. But in general I think it means that there is more of a
> commitment to the team from the university to support the team and make it
> competitive. This label can be misleading though, because there are club
> teams that are treated the same or better than varsity ones. I think it is
> more about how you are treated than what you are called. Call the team
> whatever you want, if you are getting all the ice time, equipment, etc you
> need, who cares what you are called? Having the varsity name is not the be
> all and end all. (then again, if you are getting all that, why not call it
> varsity?)
Bull. We are not going for power here. We aren't putting in this much time
and work just to wear the little jacket around saying, "I'm Varisty! I'
Varsity!" The desire to be varsity has one simple root: We just want
to play hockey, but instead we have to run a club, do all of the organizing,
pay shitloads of money. We are sick of it. Plain and simple. We want to play
hockey and leave rest of it up to other people.
-Serene Satterlund-
#12 MSU
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 14:46:43 -0500
From: email@hidden (Jules Smith)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Red line
Message-ID: <9702211946.AA16715@pinion>
Hello All,
I play for "Hockey North America", in the Boston area. Although it is not a
"Women's" league, there are several of us playing this season. Behold the
rule on "Blue Line Icing"---
>From the Official Rules and Policy Guide:
RULE 622: Icing The Puck
(a) For the purpose of this Rule, the BLUE line of the Defending Zone will
divide the ice into two sections. Should any player of a team, equal or
superior in numerical strength to the opposing team, shoot, bat with the
hand or stick, kick or deflect the puck from his own half of the ice, beyond
the goal line of the opposing team, play shall be stopped and the puck
faced-off at the end face-off spot of the offending team.
(note 3) For the purpose of interpretation of this Rule, "Icing
The Puck" is completed the instant the puck completely crosses the goal
line. If the puck shall have entered the goal, icing will not be called and
a goal shall be allowed.
(note 7) In all ADVANCED level games, the center RED line will
divide the ice into two sections for the purpose of enforcing this rule.
On Two-Line Passes:
RULE 629: Passes
(a) The puck may be passed by any player to a player of the same team
within any of the three zones into which the ice is divided and may be
passed forward by a player in his own Defending Zone to a player of the same
team anywhere in the Neutral Zone.
(b) If the puck precedes all players of the atacking team into their
Attacking Zone, ANY playing player is eligible to play the puck except when
RULE 622 (Icing) applies.
I have looked into other leagues' rules on icing, and this is pretty much
accepted practice in the area for the lower levels.
>Mary Owen wrote:
>>
>> In the bay area the standard is usually blue line icing.
>> Therefore, if it was shot from behind the blue line all the way down
>> past the goal line at the other end, it is icing. Some intermediate
>> and advanced leagues (mostly men and Midget rep teams) play red line
>> icing.
>>
>> As for "some refs to blow the play before the puck has crossed the
>> line when it's patently obvious that it's going to cross the line"
>> I would never, as a ref, DARE to do this. Having seen another ref do
>> this once and all the howling and whining that resulted from that
>> action, I wait until I see it cross the line all the way. The only
>> time I would even think of that is if there was a very good chance
>> that two players going after the puck were really intending to injure
>> each other under the guise of going for the puck. Which unfortunately
>> has happened too.
>>
>> Mary Owen
>>
>>
>> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>> Subject: Re: The Red line
>> Author: email@hidden at INTERNET
>> Date: 2/20/97 4:25 PM
>>
>> Don Wright asks:
>> Does the red line "exist" at any level of women's hockey?
>>
>> at the amateur level here in the SF
>> bay area (ncwhl and the now defunct
>> lady polars league) we used to use
>> the red line for icing....if it was
>> fired down the ice from a defensive
>> zone and went over the opposite goal
>> line, it was automatic icing (they didn't
>> wait for a player to pick it up).
>>
>> i have known some refs to blow the play
>> before the puck has crossed the line
>> when it's patently obvious that it's
>> going to cross the line (usually aided
>> by goalie with one arm in the air).
>>
>>
>> stormwind
>>
>> hell's amazon
>> lord of the frozen realmTo get in on the icing rule, in Canada our
game rules are the same, no
>matter what the gender. Icing is called if you haven't crossed centre ice
> before shooting the puck past the goal line in the oppositions' end. I
>have never heard of blue line icing!
>
>Marilyn Ireland
>District Rep. Female Hockey
>British Columbia Amateur Hockey Ass.
>Prince George, BC Canada
>
>
Jules Smith #8 Captain, Shooters (HNA)
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:06:42 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Why women are the way we are...
Message-ID:
I got this quote from a guy about women and mountain bike race training. I
felt it applied to more than just biking. I hope there are many people who
are inspired by this man's intuition. I also hope this will help us
understand the lack of support for varsity ice hockey teams. Remember: most
athletic departments are run by chauvinistic men who do not understand that
there are actually women who can play as well as men at a male dominated
sport...
"Mental Attitude"
- Society expects less of women in sports and offers less - less media
coverage, less prize money, less crowd support, and often less time to
train due to greater family responsibilities. That women make it in
sport is a testament to their perseverance and dedication.
Despite the obstacles, I've found that women have a somewhat healthier
view of winning and losing than do men. Since women tend to strive to
attain personal standards and are less preoccupied with defeating other
riders, they are less devastated by losing, and recover faster
emotionally. Men take losing, when they feel they should have won, as a
mark against their "manhood." Women carry even heavier and deeper
psychological baggage than men in another area, however. Women are more
likely to associate poor performance with lack of ability. After all, as
youngsters, they were taught that sport was for boys, and girls weren't
very good at it. In contrast, when men have a bad race, they view the
problem as a lack of effort - ability is not the issue.
Developing confidence in ability is critical to success. Positive
self-talk, self affirmations, and surrounding oneself with supportive
people is perhaps more critical to a woman's progress as an athlete than
to a man's.-
Jenn
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:34:34 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: club membership
Message-ID:
ocean said:
>I also have a question about having a club and varsity team of >the same
>sport at the same school- does this happen a lot? Does this >only happen
>in the west or is it all over? I have never heard of a team >that had a
>varsity team and also a club team in any sport, not just >hockey.
I know of several universities who have men's club teams
as well as varsity teams and I see no reason why women can't do the same
thing.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:49:00 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: varsity status
Message-ID:
>Bull. We are not going for power here. We aren't putting in. >this much
tim.e
>and work just. to wear the little jacket around saying, "I'm >Varisty! I.'
>Varsity!" The desire to be varsity has one simple root: We >just want
>to play hockey, but instead we have to run a club, do all of >the
organizing,
>pay shitloads of money. We are sick of it. Plain and simple. > >We want to
play
>hockey and leave rest of it up to other people.
>-Serene Satterlund-
>#12 MSU
I understand how you feel about wanting to have everything done for
you so you can concetrate on playing hockey, just like the men's teams do,
but the other side of deal is that you will most likely not be able to
benefit from this varsity privelage because you will not be recruited for the
varsity team. I am assuming that it is very rare that club players make
varsity teams just because of the recruiting factor. The coaches will go
elsewhere for their talent. You know it is really hard to make a varsity
team as a walk-on, although it does happen.
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:54:05, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: reversal -- Rheaume
Message-ID:
Pascal is definitely the brother of Manon Rheaume. I met him in
Albany during the NHL lockout a few years back. A friend of mine was
wearing a NJ Rockin Rollers jersey, the roller hockey team that Manon
played for that summer, signed by Manon. My friend was like "oh, look,
your sister signed my jersey, can you sign it too even though you
don't play for this team?" he said sure, and signed it, but kind of
made a face about it. I don't think he's too happy with the title of
"manon's brother."
-Carolyn #21
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